Zimmerman's Defense Team Wants TM School Records!!!

[JackFrost]

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman school records - Orlando Sentinel

<In its subpoenas, the neighborhood watch volunteer's defense requests any "disciplinary notices and reports, suspension notices and reports, attendance records, tardiness records, awards given," as well as extracurricular activities, class schedules and test scores.>

What we know already is TM was disciplined (suspended) for the following (in no specific order):

• Found with an empty bag o weed
• Wrote "WTF" on a door at school
• Truancy

And they want to know his test scores. Pretty sure GZ is just salty his poor academic records were released:lol:

I can see the reasoning behind "disciplinary notices and reports, suspension notices and reports." The rest seems like another smear campaign.

 

[sharon]

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman school records - Orlando Sentinel

<In its subpoenas, the neighborhood watch volunteer's defense requests any "disciplinary notices and reports, suspension notices and reports, attendance records, tardiness records, awards given," as well as extracurricular activities, class schedules and test scores.>

What we know already is TM was disciplined (suspended) for the following (in no specific order):

• Found with an empty bag o weed
• Wrote "WTF" on a door at school
• Truancy

And they want to know his test scores. Pretty sure GZ is just salty his poor academic records were released:lol:

I can see the reasoning behind "disciplinary notices and reports, suspension notices and reports." The rest seems like another smear campaign.

I don't see this as a problem.... unless they are claiming George knew about Trayvon's history before he killed him.

 

[mike2810]

It may show TM was not the innocent / good kid as some have tried to frame him as. Some have made GZ as a unstable person with a bad background. It is reasonalble to expose TM's background.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

TM is not in trial - whether he was a good or bad kid doesn't actually matter. He can't defend himself or explain his actions.

I've never seen such a botched stupid murder trial in my life :roll:

 

[joko104]

TM is not in trial - whether he was a good or bad kid doesn't actually matter. He can't defend himself or explain his actions.

I've never seen such a botched stupid murder trial in my life :roll:

TM is very much on trial. GZ haters want everything negative of GZs life put into record to try to show his motive and mind, but want TM presented without questioning as the perfectly sweet little 12 year old boy who followed all rules and would never hurt a fly. It doesn't work that way.

Since the defense is that TM violently attacked GZ, the trial is basically the question of who attacked who? Thus, TM is as much "on trial" as is GZ. That is obvious.

 

[joko104]

And it would be fair if the defense team released all they learn about TM to the press if the DA does not.

 

[justabubba]

TM is not in trial - whether he was a good or bad kid doesn't actually matter. He can't defend himself or explain his actions.

I've never seen such a botched stupid murder trial in my life :roll:

if those school records show a kid who was frequently engaged in fighting behavior
where he initiated hostility
where he bristled against authority figures
that information would prove invaluable to the zimmerman defense

 

[joko104]

if those school records show a kid who was frequently engaged in fighting behavior
where he initiated hostility
where he bristled against authority figures
that information would prove invaluable to the zimmerman defense

And it goes beyond that because of "reasonable doubt."

The defense can speculate upon evidence what TM was actually doing and reasons he may have had to attack GZ. Then became outraged that he could not do so with GZ watching him. For example, the defense could speculation that TM was out looking to buy or sell pot - and then use school records of an empty pot bag as supporting this. The defense does not have to prove that is what happened, rather only that it reasonably may have.

Overall, the goal of the defense is to convince the jury they are unsure what happened, because if they don't know they are to find GZ not guilty. Thus, as many possibility as the defense can suggest is to the defense's benefit.

 

[joko104]

TM is not in trial - whether he was a good or bad kid doesn't actually matter. He can't defend himself or explain his actions.

I've never seen such a botched stupid murder trial in my life :roll:

True, dead men tell no tales. But it is reasonable to want to know who the dead man was in terms of his history.

 

[JackFrost]

TM is very much on trial. GZ haters want everything negative of GZs life put into record to try to show his motive and mind, but want TM presented without questioning as the perfectly sweet little 12 year old boy who followed all rules and would never hurt a fly. It doesn't work that way.

Since the defense is that TM violently attacked GZ, the trial is basically the question of who attacked who? Thus, TM is as much "on trial" as is GZ. That is obvious.

You know it is possible to break some rules AND never hurt a fly? You know when you present your argument in extremes, it is easier to tear them apart.

Tagging, smoking weed or being late does not mean TM was violent. Unless he was in a fight, I do not see what the defense can gain from obtaining the school records.

 

[sharon]

It may show TM was not the innocent / good kid as some have tried to frame him as. Some have made GZ as a unstable person with a bad background. It is reasonalble to expose TM's background.

What do you think George knew about Trayvon that justified killing him?

The Defense won't put TM on trial.. It would be stupid.. The jurors have teen-aged sons, nephews and grandsons.

 

[mike2810]

What do you think George knew about Trayvon that justified killing him?

The Defense won't put TM on trial.. It would be stupid.. The jurors have teen-aged sons, nephews and grandsons.

That is not the point and you know it. What TM's records may show is he was troubled at times. It will go to show TM character. You have to admit, some have tried to show GZ as mental, wana be cop, etc. So what type of "child" was TM.
Did he get in trouble at school? Bully anyone?, If GZ character is valid to this case, so is TM.

Your question is like asking what did GZ do to have TM lay into him? Asking him what he was doing? Why did TM need to attack GZ to the point GZ feared for his life.

Hopefully the trial will prove one way or the other for GZ (justified or not justified).

I will admit imo GZ is not a perfect person and looks like he has done some questionalble things. Are you willing to admit TM is not pefect and did some questionalble things. To think TM played no part in esculating the situation, your wrong.

 

[buck]

What do you think George knew about Trayvon that justified killing him?

He probably knew that TM was attacking him, breaking his nose and causing cuts ont eh back of his head that probably would have required stitches.

The Defense won't put TM on trial.. It would be stupid.. The jurors have teen-aged sons, nephews and grandsons.

Of course they will. They will show that TM was troubled. They will show that TM may have been engaged in after school activities that would have kept him in good shape to either run home or attack Z - as just two possibilities. The fact that you don't think T's character and activities will become part of the trial is crazy.

 

[sharon]

That is not the point and you know it. What TM's records may show is he was troubled at times. It will go to show TM character. You have to admit, some have tried to show GZ as mental, wana be cop, etc. So what type of "child" was TM.
Did he get in trouble at school? Bully anyone?, If GZ character is valid to this case, so is TM.

Your question is like asking what did GZ do to have TM lay into him? Asking him what he was doing? Why did TM need to attack GZ to the point GZ feared for his life.

Hopefully the trial will prove one way or the other for GZ (justified or not justified).

I will admit imo GZ is not a perfect person and looks like he has done some questionalble things. Are you willing to admit TM is not pefect and did some questionalble things. To think TM played no part in esculating the situation, your wrong.

TM has no history of violence, fighting or bullying.

 

[buck]

TM has no history of violence, fighting or bullying.

Oh good. Did you finally find the conclusion to the cousin's claim that he attacked the bus driver? I've been wondering about that. Can you post a link?

 

[joko104]

You know it is possible to break some rules AND never hurt a fly? You know when you present your argument in extremes, it is easier to tear them apart.

Tagging, smoking weed or being late does not mean TM was violent. Unless he was in a fight, I do not see what the defense can gain from obtaining the school records.

Of course you can't. And if the records are praiseful of his conduct and grades with comments of how politic and helpful he was by teachers that also in irrelevant too, right?

 

[Tigger]

I've never seen such a botched stupid murder trial in my life :roll:

You're absolutely correct. The biggest botch being the charges filed against GZ to begin with.

 

[joko104]

Oh good. Did you finally find the conclusion to the cousin's claim that he attacked the bus driver? I've been wondering about that. Can you post a link?

And is anonymously vandalizing a fellow student's locker as a bully intimidation.

 

[justabubba]

You know it is possible to break some rules AND never hurt a fly? You know when you present your argument in extremes, it is easier to tear them apart.

Tagging, smoking weed or being late does not mean TM was violent. Unless he was in a fight, I do not see what the defense can gain from obtaining the school records.

it cuts both ways
if it is found from his school records that martin was a model student, with good grades, very obedient and helpful to others, that will cause a jury to reject the notion that he instigated the physical conflict which leaf to the shooting death

 

[sharon]

Oh good. Did you finally find the conclusion to the cousin's claim that he attacked the bus driver? I've been wondering about that. Can you post a link?

Buck.. Use your head.. If ANY bus driver had been attacked he would have come forward for a lucrative interview.

 

[justabubba]

TM has no history of violence, fighting or bullying.

and that would work to the prosecution's favor
so, there should be no prosecutorial objection to the release of such information to the defense

 

[sharon]

and that would work to the prosecution's favor
so, there should be no prosecutorial objection to the release of such information to the defense

I agree... release it.

By all accounts Trayvon was basically a good kid.

 

[joko104]

Buck.. Use your head.. If ANY bus driver had been attacked he would have come forward for a lucrative interview.

No and no. First, he could be endangering his life. No, there is on certainty it would be reported. Not everyone is desperate to be in the media spotlight.

 

[joko104]

I agree... release it.

By all accounts Trayvon was basically a good kid.

No he was not. But then you should be supporting his school records being released and made public to confirm your claim at least in regards to school.

 

[JackFrost]

Of course you can't. And if the records are praiseful of his conduct and grades with comments of how politic and helpful he was by teachers that also in irrelevant too, right?

What am is who why where left right straght...what is going on here? Why are you stringing random words together:lol:

Unless there were events of violence at school, which show TM was a confrontational person, I don't see how this can help the defense. Seems like a petty smear campaign.