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Zelensky Says Nyet to Trump!

If Europe really wants to stop Russia, they need to really step up.
 
anatta said:
More war. western Europe seems to be all in -NATO buying US weapons and backing Z to the point they also refuse to ignore the Russian gains.
Maybe Russia will just leave and let Ukr become a hostile NATO influenced state? ..no it wont
So the beat goes on..it's Europe's war. They can have all of it
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The unhinged, TDS infected left dont want peace because that might make Trump look good. They would tolerate a million dead just to be able to say that Trump failed.
 
Fletch said:
The unhinged, TDS infected left dont want peace because that might make Trump look good. They would tolerate a million dead just to be able to say that Trump failed.
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pretty harsh.. then again TDS is boundless hatred. I'll put it this way the democrats have no problems with endless war. Biden prove that.
And the talking down even a meeting with Putin over the war confirms it
 
Fletch said:
The thread you are posting in has Zelensky saying he will not swap land for peace and he lacks the means to drive Russian forces from his territory. So now what?
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He need to get the means to drive the Russians out. That means crippling sanctions on Russia and more and better weaponry. He is also willing to stop the war at current frontlines and negotiate. He will not leave Ukraine more vulnerable to total defeat by giving up territory Ukraine currently holds and has been fortified against attack.
 
anatta said:
pretty harsh.. then again TDS is boundless hatred. I'll put it this way the democrats have no problems with endless war. Biden prove that.
And the talking down even a meeting with Putin over the war confirms it
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Biden made no effort to end it. He never even spoke to Putin. Trump, at least, is trying to work out some sort of peace deal. Trump, always the salesman, had the anieve belief that he could convince Putin to see things his way. It didnt work. So we are back to where we were--Ukraine lacks the ability to push Russian forces out of its territory and Russia seems unable to advance any father. A stalemate. Ultimately the war will end with some sort of land for peace swap. The two parties are just not there yet.
 
Fletch said:
The unhinged, TDS infected left dont want peace because that might make Trump look good. They would tolerate a million dead just to be able to say that Trump failed.
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Trump does not want a just peace either or he would be providing weapons to force Putin to the table. Russia will tolerate a million dead to gain all of Ukraine. Trump is giving signals that he is fine with that. He does not care about Ukraine and thinks the only way for peace is to let Russia win.
 
iguanaman said:
He need to get the means to drive the Russians out. That means crippling sanctions on Russia and more and better weaponry. He is also willing to stop the war at current frontlines and negotiate. He will not leave Ukraine more vulnerable to total defeat by giving up territory Ukraine currently holds and has been fortified against attack.
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What sanctions??? I thought Biden already did all the sanctions years ago. Are you saying that there were crippling sanctions available to Biden and he didnt use them??? As for Trumps meeting with Putin, this is the beginning of the process, not the end of it. You have a lot to learn but your TDS prevents that from happening.
 
Fletch said:
The thread you are posting in has Zelensky saying he will not swap land for peace and he lacks the means to drive Russian forces from his territory. So now what?
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Pretty sure the "libs" would be thrilled to have American boots on the ground in Ukraine. Then they could blame Trump for all the American casualties. They'd be ecstatic. Given the contents of this thread, I've had to conclude that they seriously don't care who gets killed or maimed or bombed or anything else as long as it's a way to accuse Trump and blame him for it all. THAT's the priority: blaming Trump and trying to "git em." Nothing else matters
 
Fletch said:
Biden made no effort to end it. He never even spoke to Putin. Trump, at least, is trying to work out some sort of peace deal. Trump, always the salesman, had the anieve belief that he could convince Putin to see things his way. It didnt work. So we are back to where we were--Ukraine lacks the ability to push Russian forces out of its territory and Russia seems unable to advance any father. A stalemate. Ultimately the war will end with some sort of land for peace swap. The two parties are just not there yet.
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Speaking to a war criminal and genocidal maniac is a futile way to end this war and makes America look weak and corrupt. Rewarding Russia for their invasion will give a green light to every nation the wants to steal more land and resources by force. Is that what you want for the world? Russia has lost far more men and machines than Ukraine and are still losing more every day. Is the message that being willing to lose 1000+ soldiers a day for years is all a nation needs to do to gain territory?
 
iguanaman said:
Trump does not want a just peace either or he would be providing weapons to force Putin to the table.
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He is providing weapons and he is providing them to NATO as well. What are you talking about?
iguanaman said:
Russia will tolerate a million dead to gain all of Ukraine. Trump is giving signals that he is fine with that.
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??Thats a lie.
iguanaman said:
He does not care about Ukraine and thinks the only way for peace is to let Russia win.
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Another lie. Its impossible to have an honest debate with the left on any issue.
 
Fletch said:
The unhinged, TDS infected left dont want peace because that might make Trump look good. They would tolerate a million dead just to be able to say that Trump failed.
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Not just tolerate but orchestrate it
 
iguanaman said:
Speaking to a war criminal and genocidal maniac is a futile way to end this war and makes America look weak and corrupt.
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Biden took that approach and how di that work out? :rolleyes:
iguanaman said:
Rewarding Russia for their invasion will give a green light to every nation the wants to steal more land and resources by force. Is that what you want for the world?
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The only way to remove Russian forces from Ukraine is for the West to step in and do it by force. Is that what you are calling for? WWIII?
iguanaman said:
Russia has lost far more men and machines than Ukraine and are still losing more every day. Is the message that being willing to lose 1000+ soldiers a day for years is all a nation needs to do to gain territory?
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The unhinged left, the new advocates for America being the worlds policeman.
 
Logophile said:
Pretty sure the "libs" would be thrilled to have American boots on the ground in Ukraine. Then they could blame Trump for all the American casualties. They'd be ecstatic. Given the contents of this thread, I've had to conclude that they seriously don't care who gets killed or maimed or bombed or anything else as long as it's a way to accuse Trump and blame him for it all. THAT's the priority: blaming Trump and trying to "git em." Nothing else matters
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Being a paranoid schizophrenic does not help your case. Americans do not hate Trump they hate what he is doing and that is every citizens right. You don't mind losing this war to our enemy and that is unforgivable. America has kept the peace since WWII by defending international borders and Trump is going to cause more wars by reneging on that. You don't care about that either I suppose.
 
Fletch said:
Biden took that approach and how di that work out? :rolleyes:

The only way to remove Russian forces from Ukraine is for the West to step in and do it by force. Is that what you are calling for? WWIII?

The unhinged left, the new advocates for America being the worlds policeman.
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Biden did what he could to make Russia aware that they would never win in Ukraine. He believed that Putin was a sane actor and would cut his losses like a normal leader would do when confronted with so many casualties. He was wrong. Putin is completely insane and obsessed with remaking the USSR at any cost to Russia and its people. The war cannot end until Putin is gone or Russia goes bankrupt. Russia can be defeated if we have the will to do it. Trump does not have that will and his coddling of Putin has done nothing but renew his false belief that Russia can take Ukraine if they just keep fighting. I will tell you that Ukraine has the ability to make Russia suffer like no other country before and they will use that capability if their backs are against the wall. Trump is playing with fire and when the dirty bombs fall on Moscow it will be his fault.
 
iguanaman said:
Biden did what he could to make Russia aware that they would never win in Ukraine. He believed that Putin was a sane actor and would cut his losses like a normal leader would do when confronted with so many casualties. He was wrong. Putin is completely insane and obsessed with remaking the USSR at any cost to Russia and its people. The war cannot end until Putin is gone or Russia goes bankrupt. Russia can be defeated if we have the will to do it. Trump does not have that will.
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Our 'will' to do it would require American forces. Thats not going to happen no matter who is president.
 
Fletch said:
Our 'will' to do it would require American forces. Thats not going to happen no matter who is president.
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No one expects or asked for American forces in Ukraine. Russia can fall without us being on the ground. We need to cut off their oil money and supply or sell Ukraine the weapons it needs. Ukraine will do the rest.
 
Fletch said:
Biden took that approach and how di that work out? :rolleyes:

The only way to remove Russian forces from Ukraine is for the West to step in and do it by force. Is that what you are calling for? WWIII?

The unhinged left, the new advocates for America being the worlds policeman.
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It is better than the unhinged MAGA who wants us to surrender to our sworn enemies and run with our tails between our legs. That will certainly not end well. As far as WWIII is concerned, if Russia is allowed to take Ukraine we will surely be at war in all of europe and this time we will need to take part in it. Putin will not stop with Ukraine. He want s the Baltics, Poland and half of Germany back too. Not to mention that China will take Taiwan and the Philippines. You want us to sit that out too I suppose.
 
iguanaman said:
Being a paranoid schizophrenic does not help your case. Americans do not hate Trump they hate what he is doing and that is every citizens right. You don't mind losing this war to our enemy and that is unforgivable. America has kept the peace since WWII by defending international borders and Trump is going to cause more wars by reneging on that. You don't care about that either I suppose.
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Defending BORDERS?? You're worried about international borders?? Liberals like you refused to defend our OWN borders, and quite literally supported a free for all of every kind of unvetted, illegal foreigner imaginable including rapists, terrorists, murderers and drug dealers to ensconce themselves and prey on us all in an attempt to stack votes. Pathetic
 
Logophile said:
Defending BORDERS?? You're worried about international borders?? Liberals like you refused to defend our OWN borders, and quite literally supported a free for all of every kind of unvetted, illegal foreigner imaginable including rapists, terrorists, murderers and drug dealers to ensconce themselves and prey on us all in an attempt to stack votes. Pathetic
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Sorry but you are wrong about that too. America needs immigrants and always has. Lazy ass white people cannot fulfill our labor needs. We would reduce crime more if we threw out a lot of Americans. Immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than citizens. You have fallen for a lie and you will soon see that it will cost you.
 
iguanaman said:
Sorry but you are wrong about that too. America needs immigrants and always has. Lazy ass white people cannot fulfill our labor needs. We would reduce crime more if we threw out a lot of Americans. Immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than citizens.
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I know all kinds of "lazy" people, but I also know lots of hard working people. Unlike you, I don't color code them like a racist would
 
Logophile said:
I know all kinds of "lazy" people, but I also know lots of hard working people. Unlike you, I don't color code them like a racist would
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You are color coding immigrants and calling them all criminals. That is racist in case you didn't know.
 
iguanaman said:
You are color coding immigrants and calling them all criminals. That is racist in case you didn't know.
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I didn't call them all criminals. That's why I used the word "including." So you're lying. But you're sure right there to divide them all racially, aren't ya?? Sure you are. All that virtue signaling just so your fundamental racism can be revealed
 
Logophile said:
I didn't call them all criminals. That's why I used the word "including." So you're lying. But you're sure right there to divide them all racially, aren't ya?? Sure you are. All that virtue signaling just so your fundamental racism can be revealed
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And I told you that immigrants are less likely to commit violent crime than citizens. We are the #1 rapists and murderers in America. Calling attention to a tiny minority of immigrants in that manner is racist. Just because Trump gets away with it does not change that. Trump is a racist too. He is also a liar.
 
iguanaman said:
And I told you that immigrants are less likely to commit violent crime than citizens. We are the #1 rapists and murderers in America. Calling attention to a tiny minority of immigrants in that manner is racist. Just because Trump gets away with it does not change that. Trump is a racist too. He is also a liar.
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I don't care "what you told me." You think I'd take your word for it?? LOL!! Your party used the race card to rationalize buying votes through swamping the border and then defending it. based on making up some "brown people" meme. Your party is comprise of a bunch of exploitive, phony, profoundly racist bigots and opportunists that tried every which way to lie their way into maintaining power. And guess what?? They - and you - failed. Good job!!
 
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