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Zelensky pushes for unconditional meeting with Putin

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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-ukraine-zelensky-russia-putin-08-18-25
President Trump announced on social media that he has begun arranging a meeting between Putin and Zelensky
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-ukraine-zelensky-russia-putin-08-18-25

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Putin reportedly tells Trump he's ready to meet Zelenskyy after high-stakes talks, German chancellor says​



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www.foxnews.com

Zelenskyy returns to White House flanked by European allies as Trump pressures land deal with Putin

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with President Donald Trump at the White House on Monday, alongside several European allies. Trump has urged Zelenskyy to accept a land swap deal with Russia after meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday.
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Finally.

These two guys are taking the first step.

Thanks, Donald for not giving up.
 

Zelensky pushes for unconditional meeting with Putin​


Trump should have arranged such a meeting instead of his Alaska humiliation.
 
Putin will not agree to meet Zelensky as an equal. That would be recognizing Ukraine is a real country, that Zelensky is a real leader and that Russia is at war with Ukraine.
 
Dog and pony show.

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joluoto said:
Putin will not agree to meet Zelensky as an equal. That would be recognizing Ukraine is a real country, that Zelensky is a real leader and that Russia is at war with Ukraine.
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Putin will no doubt demand a trilateral metting with Zelenskyy and Trump.

Putin knows that rather that squeezing him, Trump will instead squeeze Zelenakyy to cede Crimea and all other occupied Ukrainian lands.
 
Or Putin will simply demand unconditional surrender, and when Zelensky refuses Putin will complain to Trump how Zelensky don't want peace.
 
Does anyone wonder how the people in Ukraine reacted to the farce meeting in Alaska? We're all sitting here in the comfort of our homes, in the safety of our towns, plenty to eat, access to healthcare, freedom to travel. But, across the oceans is another world. A world where your home is now a pile of rubble. Your schools are targets of bombing. You may not have electricity or even food available. We aren't smelling the odor of explosives or the smell of decomposing death. We can't hear women mourning in despair or children crying for their dead parents or because they've been taken by Russians, away from their lives, to be placed in adoptive care with strangers. The same goes for Gaza and Palestine. We can't really see, hear or smell it, so to us, it's nothing other than a flat-screen image of war. It doesn't bring any more emotion to most people, than a good war movie would.

Shouldn't the opinions of this staged meeting matter more to the very people who are living the nightmare, than to us watching it on our television sets?

Here are some of their impressions. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg4mj4011lo

Ukrainians went to bed on Friday night with the frightening possibility that Donald Trump could be seduced by Vladimir Putin into offering significant concessions on the war.

"Red carpets and this level of ceremony are normal at international events, but in this case – for an aggressor responsible for the deaths of millions – it should not have happened," said Maria Drachova, 40, a lawyer in the capital Kyiv.

Drachova, who woke up and watched the footage over breakfast, said it appeared as though "the entire event was staged to please Putin".

"The rational world is behaving irrationally by giving him this welcome," she said.

Ukrainians who had stayed up late to watch the spectacle were seeing the "legitimisation of a war criminal at the highest level", said Oleksandr Kovalenko, a Ukrainian writer and political analyst.

"There was no need for this pomp at all," Kovalenko said. "This is a meeting that should have been conducted in a much more restrained way – minimalistic, without this level of respect."

"When I saw what happened I felt crushed," said Serhii Orlyk

"I lost my home twice, in Sloviansk and in Donetsk. I lost relatives," Orlyk said. "I understand that to agree on something, there must be protocol, you cannot just slap Putin in the face when he arrives. But it was a very unpleasant spectacle – especially his smirks."

"It was a massive victory for Putin even before he got off the plane, to be rehabilitated in this manner," Giles said. "Trump has facilitated him arriving to be greeted as a head of state, when he ought to be finding it difficult to travel because he is an internationally wanted war criminal."

"Perhaps this was all intended to deceive and flatter Putin, and push him into following the White House's strategy," Kovalenko said.
 
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I'm cynically trying to figure out how Putin, Zelensky, and Trump are approaching any bilateral summit, which I think is highly unlikely until one side or the other has a decisively advantage on the battlefield.

Trump wants to be able to tell Europe he arranged a meeting, even if nothing comes out of it but a Putin lecture. Trump would be able to tell his NATO counterparts: Look, you guys wanted these two to talk and negotiate. I teed it up. That's what happened. Not my problem. In fact, Ukraine is not my problem. It's your problem.

Putin might be willing to accept a meeting with Zelensky just to placate Trump to that end, but I honestly don't know. I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't want to meet with Zelensky at all. Any meeting would be Putin lashing out at Zelensky, and I'm assuming Zelensky would lash right back. Practically, I don't know what a meeting between the two would achieve.
 
multivita-man said:
I'm cynically trying to figure out how Putin, Zelensky, and Trump are approaching any bilateral summit, which I think is highly unlikely until one side or the other has a decisively advantage on the battlefield.

Trump wants to be able to tell Europe he arranged a meeting, even if nothing comes out of it but a Putin lecture. Trump would be able to tell his NATO counterparts: Look, you guys wanted these two to talk and negotiate. I teed it up. That's what happened. Not my problem. In fact, Ukraine is not my problem. It's your problem.

Putin might be willing to accept a meeting with Zelensky just to placate Trump to that end, but I honestly don't know. I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't want to meet with Zelensky at all. Any meeting would be Putin lashing out at Zelensky, and I'm assuming Zelensky would lash right back. Practically, I don't know what a meeting between the two would achieve.
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Lock them both in a cage and the winner wins the war.
 
Putin will never meet face to face with Zelensky. He would send surrogates, such as Sergey Lavrov, to the talks. Russia will 'kibitz' and make perfunctory theatrical motions such as endless meetings, without Putin of course, they will make unacceptable demands. Putin will continue to procrastinate, buying more time to destroy Ukraine. Russia's aggression and bombing of civilian populations will increase, hoping Ukraine will be drained of the will to resist. That's Putin's strategy, and that's why the U.S. has to go on the offensive and collectively, and decisively, strike back hard at Russian forces. Putin is already one-million men less fighting his war, and he can't keep going if allies are united against him.
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The talks would have to be “honest,” Lavrov said, adding that a one-on-one showdown between Putin and Zelensky would have to be a “period” at the end of talks, and not “make negotiations worse.”

Lavrov also said Wednesday Russia wants one aspect of conversations with Ukraine to include the “political” aspects of any deal, but did not clarify what he meant.
https://nypost.com/2025/08/20/us-news/kremlins-new-demands-threaten-to-derail-peace-talks-with-ukraine-as-trump-tries-to-seal-putin-zelensky-meeting/
 
HumblePi said:
Putin will never meet face to face with Zelensky. He would send surrogates, such as Sergey Lavrov, to the talks. Russia will 'kibitz' and make perfunctory theatrical motions such as endless meetings, without Putin of course, they will make unacceptable demands. Putin will continue to procrastinate, buying more time to destroy Ukraine. Russia's aggression and bombing of civilian populations will increase, hoping Ukraine will be drained of the will to resist. That's Putin's strategy, and that's why the U.S. has to go on the offensive and collectively, and decisively, strike back hard at Russian forces. Putin is already one-million men less fighting his war, and he can't keep going if allies are united against him.
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The above is spot on. Putin wants to drag this out as long as possible and in the interrum destroy Ukraine......

www.kyivpost.com

Ukraine Downs 577 Targets in Mass Russian Missile, Drone Barrage, US Factory in Mukachevo Hit

Russia launched more than 600 missiles and drones in one of the largest attacks of the war.
www.kyivpost.com www.kyivpost.com

Trump allows this to continue without any consequences for Putin/Russia.
 
Putin does not want an unconditional meeting, and Trump is too busy strong-arming Zelenskyy to be bothered with what is right and wrong for Ukraine.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Putin does not want an unconditional meeting, and Trump is too busy strong-arming Zelenskyy to be bothered with what is right and wrong for Ukraine.
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Indeed. Putin won't do a "one-on-one" with Zelensky. He wants Trump at the table so they can tag-team Mr. Z.

Last night Russia fired almost 600 missiles/drones into Ukraine. All without any consequence to Putin/Russia from Trump.

Without consequences, Putin will delay and slow-walk any talks while he pounds UKR cities every night.

Via omission, Donald Trump is assisting a war criminal.
 
multivita-man said:
Putin might be willing to accept a meeting with Zelensky just to placate Trump to that end, but I honestly don't know. I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't want to meet with Zelensky at all. Any meeting would be Putin lashing out at Zelensky, and I'm assuming Zelensky would lash right back. Practically, I don't know what a meeting between the two would achieve.
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But what will they talk about though?

Zelensky couldn't even manage a meeting back in February in the Oval Office without getting his hosts apoplectic. As to the last meeting, the Europeans dreaded a disaster so much they had to rush in an A Team to put out any fires. Zelensky is an egotistic eccentric inhabiting a parallel universe.

This is a man who issued a Decree banning any negotiations with Russia unless there's a regime change. The Decree has not been rescinded.

Lately he took to declaring that his Constitution forbids him from negotiations on land swaps. Fine. In which case why does he want to see Putin? For goodness sakes, the fight is over land. What is more natural than to discuss possibilities such as ceding or swaping lands to end the war?

To him its all philosophical abstractions. He never presents his minimum demands in concrete, palpable terms. He talks of intangibles like a just peace, a fair peace, a dignified peace... Everyone has his own understanding of what those terms mean. Is that what he and Putin are supposed to debate over? Do they have the time? At best they have 4 or 5 hours. Such a philosophical debate can last weeks or months.

In the sense that Zelensky's eccentrics may provoke a reaction in Russians similar to that it provoked in Trump and Vance, at first Oval Office meeting, I will say the risk here is the war and carnage will be extended beyond what is necessary to prove a point
 
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HumblePi said:
Putin will never meet face to face with Zelensky. He would send surrogates, such as Sergey Lavrov, to the talks.
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Each side in a conflict gets to set up its own negotiating team. Russia does not get to dictate the composition of the Ukrainian team. As equally Zelensky does not get to dictate the composition of the Russian team.




HumblePi said:
Russia will 'kibitz' and make perfunctory theatrical motions such as endless meetings, without Putin of course, they will make unacceptable demands.
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Ukraine makes its demands, and its up to Russians whether they find them acceptable or not. And vice versa. The war continues if demands are unacceptable.



HumblePi said:
Putin will continue to procrastinate, buying more time to destroy Ukraine. Russia's aggression and bombing of civilian populations will increase, hoping Ukraine will be drained of the will to resist. That's Putin's strategy, and that's why the U.S. has to go on the offensive and collectively, and decisively, strike back hard at Russian forces. Putin is already one-million men less fighting his war, and he can't keep going if allies are united against
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The French, English, Germans, Poles, Baltics can also join the fray, what are they waiting for?
 
I made a big mistake when I didn't monetize the gullibility of adult MAGAs.

It's like taking candy from a baby.
 
Juin said:
The French, English, Germans, Poles, Baltics can also join the fray, what are they waiting for?
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Lol!! What are they waiting for?? They're waiting for US troops to go in their stead. THEY sure don't wanna go. I think now that Trump has made it emphatically clear that the US is not headed there under ANY circumstances, they're far more interested in negotiations
 
On Putin's command, I suspect Trump will drop this requirement like he dropped a ceasefire.
 
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