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Zaluzhnyi believes Europe not ready for prolonged war against Russia

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This was in an interview the tough ex Commander in Chief granted to Ukrainka Pravda. It appears he calls it as he sees it. Nevertheless not the kind of assessments Zelensky wants the popular General he rewarded with an Ambassadorship to London, after firing him, to be spreading publicly. I bet the mediaholic Zelensky is apoplectic! This goes against every detail of the Ukrainian Duce's own Victory Plan. The Duce's Victory Plan is a 'we can do it plan'. 'We' being Nato, Eu, etc. Now the respected ex Commander in Chief, and easily Hero of Ukraine, is saying Europe cannot do it! Unconscionable!

Is Zaluzhnyi angling for Zelensky's job?

Some unpleasant facts. If Ukraine is pushed to negotiate by some in the Eu, an uncontrollable eccentric like Zelensky in power, with his daily public tantrums, will immeasurably complicate what to start with will be a difficult project. The Ukrainian Duce will be constantly on TV insinuating his beloved Ukraine is being stabbed in the back. That Europe can do it, if it only had the balls. Clearly not what that part of Europe interested in closing the Ukrainian Folder would want to keep hearing. In that case the no bull sh*t Zaluzhnyi is far more preferable as President of Ukraine.

Is Gen Valerii Zaluzhnyii dabbling in Bonapartism?

Politics aside, the General was making a case about Europe's ability to wage of attrition against Russia. It would be nice if the full interview were available in English. The nefarious Ukrainska Pravda has the full thing but in Bandera language. Only excerpts of it in the English language section!

Below the General address the case of drones and missiles.

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"If we are talking about short-term military actions, European countries are likely prepared. But the essence of the question was whether they are ready for a war of attrition. Let’s just calculate. In October, Ukraine was struck by approximately 1,643 Shahed drones and around 200 missiles targeting its civilian energy infrastructure. The trend is that these numbers will increase. Only this month (November 2024), if we count the number of Shaheds and missiles targeting civilian infrastructure, it will approach 3,000 — and the month isn’t even over," Zaluzhnyi noted.

"Do European countries or Britain have at least 5,000 missiles for Patriot systems to intercept guided bombs? I doubt it. They are very expensive, and as a result, it’s impossible to stockpile large quantities because production is challenging. Thus, from this military perspective, one could say they are probably not ready (for a prolonged war with Russia)," he opined.
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What maybe was not asked of the General by Ukrainska Pravda is how many ATACMs and drones on the Eu + Ukraine side; and does Russia also have their stock of missiles for S300 and S400 to cope with a deluge of ATACMs.



 
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This was in an interview the tough ex Commander in Chief granted to Ukrainka Pravda. It appears he calls it as he sees it. Nevertheless not the kind of assessments Zelensky wants the popular General he rewarded with an Ambassadorship to London, after firing him, to be spreading publicly. I bet the mediaholic Zelensky is apoplectic! This goes against every detail of the Ukrainian Duce's own Victory Plan.
Yeah, stopped right there.
 
Is there a word in Russian for being both lugubrious and loquacious at the same time?

Tighten up your rhetoric, @Juin You are putting me to sleep.
 

Europe not ready for prolonged war against Russia​

Then they should give Ukraine as much firepower as they want, and the permission to use it without restrictions. That way Ukraine will win quickly and there won't be a need to worry about Europe's ability or inability to wage a war against Russia, prolonged or otherwise.

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Russia still can't take Ukraine. NATO would whip Russia in a week.
 
Russia still can't take Ukraine. NATO would whip Russia in a week.
NATO with the US definitely. NATO without the US and it gets more complicated. On paper Europe would win, but Europe is in no way united, and different countries have different objectives and interests. If the US led the charge everyone would follow. But without US leading the charge things get murky. Would Meloni's Italy really join then? Would Spain and Portugal really fight for countries in Central Europe without the US providing leadership. Would France and Germany get along, or just start bicker over who is in charge? Also there is a Presidential election in France in 2026, and it could well end up with President le Pen or President Melenchon. And then France might just decide that defending Central Europe is not their thing, unless again, the US leads the charge, then they'd probably follow.
 
NATO with the US definitely. NATO without the US and it gets more complicated. On paper Europe would win, but Europe is in no way united, and different countries have different objectives and interests. If the US led the charge everyone would follow. But without US leading the charge things get murky. Would Meloni's Italy really join then? Would Spain and Portugal really fight for countries in Central Europe without the US providing leadership. Would France and Germany get along, or just start bicker over who is in charge? Also there is a Presidential election in France in 2026, and it could well end up with President le Pen or President Melenchon. And then France might just decide that defending Central Europe is not their thing, unless again, the US leads the charge, then they'd probably follow.
IMO both you and @Juin make valid points. I don’t think any of us armchair generals are in a position to accurately predict what may or may not happen. There are so many other variables to consider. Particularly, China’s position.
 
Does anyone really believe Donald Trump would defend European nations from the aggressions of Vladimir Putin?

I know I don't. Trump is advocating for US isolationism and the diminishment of Pax-Americana.

Trump's administration picks are abysmal.

Sen. Tammy Duckworth: Hegseth Is "Unqualified," Gabbard Is "Compromised," "Couldn't Pass A Background Check"

Trump is refusing to allow FBI background checks on his administration nominees, and will install his people during a January Congressional recess to circumvent Senate oversight.
 
Europe understands the danger of Russia. NATO provides a solid framework for their combined forces even without the U.S. NATO would also provide a clear chain of command. NATO has also standardized small arms ammo. NATO armor and air power is superior to anything Russia has.

Europe can take Russia no sweat.
 
Europe can take Russia no sweat.

Russia just last week demonstrated a weapon on Ukraine - a hypersonic missile - that neither the US nor Europe has, and there is no defense against it.

Does Europe have the will to wage war against Russia? A Russia that flattens cities rather than capture them.
 
Russia just last week demonstrated a weapon on Ukraine - a hypersonic missile - that neither the US nor Europe has, and there is no defense against it.

Does Europe have the will to wage war against Russia? A Russia that flattens cities rather than capture them.
Even if what Russia says is true, advantages only last as long as someone builds a better mousetrap.
 
that neither the US nor Europe has, and there is no defense against it.

They have a defense.
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Russia just last week demonstrated a weapon on Ukraine - a hypersonic missile - that neither the US nor Europe has, and there is no defense against it.
There is in fact a defense.

Massive retaliation. The Russians may have that nifty new missile, but their air defense is crap.
 
NATO with the US definitely. NATO without the US and it gets more complicated. On paper Europe would win, but Europe is in no way united, and different countries have different objectives and interests. If the US led the charge everyone would follow. But without US leading the charge things get murky. Would Meloni's Italy really join then? Would Spain and Portugal really fight for countries in Central Europe without the US providing leadership. Would France and Germany get along, or just start bicker over who is in charge? Also there is a Presidential election in France in 2026, and it could well end up with President le Pen or President Melenchon. And then France might just decide that defending Central Europe is not their thing, unless again, the US leads the charge, then they'd probably follow.


And that in a way outlines what diplomatic course is safe for Putin to pursue. What Russia cannot, and should not do is galvanise the west and get it into a war footing. Its still a 2Trillion dollar economy vs a 30Trillions economies. The problem for the Eu is the political hurdle of convincing the public to endorse a switch to war footing. The only one who can get the west into a full war footing is Russia. It can do that by retaliating to a crossing of one of its many red lines. A catastrophic retaliation could galvanise the western public. It may also alienate many in the non western world who at present are sympathetic to the Russian case.

So as long as Russia is making its incremental gains the better course is to avoid any path that can shock the west into mobilisation
 
Then they should give Ukraine as much firepower as they want, and the permission to use it without restrictions. That way Ukraine will win quickly and there won't be a need to worry about Europe's ability or inability to wage a war against Russia, prolonged or otherwise.


You fight a war with what you have, not with what you wish you had.
 
You fight a war with what you have, not with what you wish you had.
Okay, Donald Rumsfeld.🤬
I danced a jig when that arrogant, self serving, no good, SOB finally croaked. Too bad it didn’t happen sooner.
 
Thankfully we have it already, so it's just a matter of giving it to Ukraine and saying "go wild."


It doesnt change the fact that Ukraine or Russia fight with what they have. What they should have, is interesting, but pointless until they have them
 
Okay, Donald Rumsfeld.🤬
I danced a jig when that arrogant, self serving, no good, SOB finally croaked. Too bad it didn’t happen sooner.


lol Yes, that was Donald Rumsfeld
 
It doesnt change the fact that Ukraine or Russia fight with what they have. What they should have, is interesting, but pointless until they have them
Well thank you for this little factoid. :rolleyes:

What does this have to do with what I said? Did anything I say contradict that?
 
Well thank you for this little factoid. :rolleyes:

What does this have to do with what I said? Did anything I say contradict that?


You tell me
 
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