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Young women's risk of being killed goes up by about 20% after becoming pregnant or giving burh

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"In Louisiana, where Markitha Sinegal lived, homicide is the second leading cause of death for pregnant and postpartum women. Only drug overdoses take more lives.

...National-level data on the phenomenon is difficult to find, as it’s often buried in individual state reports on maternal mortality or in databases inaccessible to the public. Dr. Maeve Wallace, an epidemiologist at the University of Arizona, has put a special focus on the analysis and publication of data on pregnancy-associated homicides and provided some of the data for this story. According to Dr. Wallace, from 2018 through 2022, at least 837 women were killed during pregnancy or within the following year, although because the pregnancy checkbox is new and not always consistently used, that number is most likely an undercount. “There's tons of funding and attention at the federal level for maternal mortality,” Dr. Wallace said, referring to obstetric causes of death. “My goal in looking at homicide is that it’s happening just as often.”

And though homicides aren’t generally classified as pregnancy-related, the pregnancy often has played a part. In these cases, more often than not, a husband or boyfriend is the killer.

The stress and emotional turmoil of a pregnancy — especially an unexpected one — can exacerbate an already abusive relationship. According to experts on intimate partner violence, the abuse almost always precedes the pregnancy.


Domestic violence is rooted in power and control, and pregnancy is a tether that can shift a relationship’s dynamic. Once partners are tied together by a child on the horizon, abusers can feel a greater degree of impunity to escalate their behavior. Suddenly, there are not just emotional ties, but legal and financial ones as well. And just as suddenly, as a pregnant woman, it becomes much harder to leave."


Startling.
 
But wait, there's more! (Almost no one ever even discusses this when I post it tho.)

Altho they dont break them out specifically in murder rates, they do state that by far, the most frequent cause of death for pregnant women is murder by the sperm donor.

And they also dont include murder in the statistics about deaths due to pregnancy/childbirth.

No. 1 Cause of Death in Pregnant Women: Murder


FROM THE WEBMD ARCHIVES​
"Given all the risks associated with pregnancy, it's easy to imagine that expectant mothers are vulnerable to illnesses and even to death. But shocking new information shows that these women actually are more likely to be murdered than to die from any complications of pregnancy -- or from any other cause for that matter.
"We found that homicide was the leading cause of death among women who were pregnant ... and accounted for 20% of deaths among that group, compared with 6% of deaths among nonpregnant women of reproductive age," says author Isabelle Horon, DrPH"​



There were 3.62 homicides per 100,000 live births among females who were pregnant or within 1 year postpartum, 16% higher than homicide prevalence among nonpregnant and nonpostpartum females of reproductive age (3.12 deaths/100,000 population, P<.05). Homicide during pregnancy or within 42 days of the end of pregnancy exceeded all the leading causes of maternal mortality by more than twofold. Pregnancy was associated with a significantly elevated homicide risk in the Black population and among girls and younger women (age 10–24 years) across racial and ethnic subgroups.​
CONCLUSION:​
Homicide is a leading cause of death during pregnancy and the postpartum period in the United States. Pregnancy and the postpartum period are times of elevated risk for homicide among all females of reproductive age.



"Laws restricting women’s access to reproductive care and abortion can place women at further risk, since control over a woman’s reproductive choices often plays a role in intimate partner violence, Lawn said in an October 20 U.S. News & World Report article. Lenient firearms legislation can also increase the risk."​



So now consider...with so many more women unable to access abortions...that so many more men are going to be stuck with child support for 18 years...and many will be pretty pissed about it. Think that 20% murder rate is going to go up?
 
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I wonder how that number changes if there is a gun in the house.

From post 3:

"Laws restricting women’s access to reproductive care and abortion can place women at further risk, since control over a woman’s reproductive choices often plays a role in intimate partner violence, Lawn said in an October 20 U.S. News & World Report article. Lenient firearms legislation can also increase the risk." link
 
"In Louisiana, where Markitha Sinegal lived, homicide is the second leading cause of death for pregnant and postpartum women. Only drug overdoses take more lives.

...National-level data on the phenomenon is difficult to find, as it’s often buried in individual state reports on maternal mortality or in databases inaccessible to the public. Dr. Maeve Wallace, an epidemiologist at the University of Arizona, has put a special focus on the analysis and publication of data on pregnancy-associated homicides and provided some of the data for this story. According to Dr. Wallace, from 2018 through 2022, at least 837 women were killed during pregnancy or within the following year, although because the pregnancy checkbox is new and not always consistently used, that number is most likely an undercount. “There's tons of funding and attention at the federal level for maternal mortality,” Dr. Wallace said, referring to obstetric causes of death. “My goal in looking at homicide is that it’s happening just as often.”

And though homicides aren’t generally classified as pregnancy-related, the pregnancy often has played a part. In these cases, more often than not, a husband or boyfriend is the killer.

The stress and emotional turmoil of a pregnancy — especially an unexpected one — can exacerbate an already abusive relationship. According to experts on intimate partner violence, the abuse almost always precedes the pregnancy.


Domestic violence is rooted in power and control, and pregnancy is a tether that can shift a relationship’s dynamic. Once partners are tied together by a child on the horizon, abusers can feel a greater degree of impunity to escalate their behavior. Suddenly, there are not just emotional ties, but legal and financial ones as well. And just as suddenly, as a pregnant woman, it becomes much harder to leave."


Startling.

From your link:

'When women under age 25 get pregnant, their odds of death by homicide more than double.'​

To reiterate in case it's missed:

"Domestic violence is rooted in power and control, and pregnancy is a tether that can shift a relationship’s dynamic. Once partners are tied together by a child on the horizon, abusers can feel a greater degree of impunity to escalate their behavior. Suddenly, there are not just emotional ties, but legal and financial ones as well. And just as suddenly, as a pregnant woman, it becomes much harder to leave."​
Many women were idiots that did not vote in their own best interests last month. And selfish on behalf of others yet to come/vote.
 
You want to know why things are more lethal when a weapon is involved?

Do you not know what a weapon is?

Not sure what your point is here. Could you be more direct?
 
Not sure what your point is here. Could you be more direct?
The point was to get some answers to some questions I don't know how to be more direct than just ask you.

If you don't want to answer and just say so no need to pretend to like I was making a point. Your failure to answer or even recognize questions is the point.
 
The point was to get some answers to some questions I don't know how to be more direct than just ask you.

If you don't want to answer and just say so no need to pretend to like I was making a point. Your failure to answer or even recognize questions is the point.

How do the questions relate to the post they are responding to?
 
You were asking how the number changes when a weapon is involved.

So I'm guessing you don't know what weapons are for.
So... access to guns does increase death rates. Unusual admission from the right.
 
So... access to guns does increase death rates.
No. Switzerland has ample access to firearms but they don't have a high rate of homicide or suicide.
Unusual admission from the right.
It's not my admission it's false because Switzerland proves it false so I wouldn't admit something that I know is false.

That wouldn't be an admission either that would just be a lie.
 
No. Switzerland has ample access to firearms but they don't have a high rate of homicide or suicide.

It's not my admission it's false because Switzerland proves it false so I wouldn't admit something that I know is false.

That wouldn't be an admission either that would just be a lie.
Ammunition is very tightly controlled in Switzerland, as are many guns after the 2008 gun regulation passage.
 
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