(Yougov) Only 21% of voters believe that Charlie Cook's shooter is a Democrat

[Airyaman]

Well, he registered unaffiliated but he was clearly radicalized by the LEFT.

Not the LEFT!!!

Um, who exactly?

 

[Emlee]

By the groypers.

Speaking of which, not sure anyone hated Kirk more than Fuentes/groypers.

There are those who have just dismissed groypers out of hand, without even knowing much about them, only because of the term ‘right’, as if it means they’re standard conservatives, but they’re far from it, they’re textbook fringe.

I don’t say it’s certain that Robinson is a groyper, but there sure are a lot of parallels all the way down to the inscriptions on the casings.

There are a lot of videos of Fuentes spewing some vile sh*t. Videos about groypers war against Kirk, groypers disrupting Kirk’s events going back about 5 years.

This video was Fuentes just last month.

“I don’t want to hear and you cannot allow Charlie Kirk to go to one more public event, one more question and answer, one more ask ‘em anything without being protested, without being shouted down, without being interrogated…”

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Citing polls in 2025 is stupid.

 

[Felis Leo]

It is indeed absolutely true that any attempt to cover up actual hatred and bigotry with any other set of words will mostly only appeal to those who want to believe, and be ineffective at convincing the rest of us. I think that is true regardless of the side trying to do the cover up. Left or Right, when you disdain others, that tends to seep through in ways that are publicly noticeable, regardless of how you try to hide. it.

Agreed. It is why I instinctively did not like Charlie Kirk pretty much from the outset of his appearance on the public stage, and preferred the Daily Wire crew far more so than Charlie Kirk, who had a nasty streak about him that I did not like.

On affirmative action, if you have it, I'd like to see the full quote, as a bunch of his stuff is now being stripped of relevant context to make him come off differently than he did. Strictly going by what you have posted (so I reserve the right to change my position if a fuller version or broader context comes out that changes the import of this), I think that I would say it is not contradictory to the assumption that the more qualified person would have been the white person, and I can understand how someone would draw that conclusion, but it also does not necessitate that white people are inherently smarter or better than anyone else.

Okay. If you do not think averring that white people would be the ones more qualified than these black women (and not people of any other race or ethnicity) is not a white supremacist statement per se, you are free to give the benefit of the doubt. But judging by the statements I have seen the man say over the years, I have no reason to give him or anyone else who would make such a statement un-ironically the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

The authorities can hardly be trusted to be honest, especially after that BS ammo report. And then the media is scared shitless of Trump.

Agreed.
With all the multiple bitch slaps donalds backhanded on any media outlet that dare disagree with him, the cowering is getting palpable.

 

[cpwill]

Agreed. It is why I instinctively did not like Charlie Kirk pretty much from the outset of his appearance on the public stage, and preferred the Daily Wire crew far more so than Charlie Kirk, who had a nasty streak about him that I did not like.

I was, to be honest, never a huge fan of either, though having to wade through a lot of Kirk material in the past few days has left me with a better appreciation of him, and I've ended up thinking better of him than I did.

But I never liked the confrontational Own The Libz model, and drew a hard line on those who sold out conservative principles to hop on the Trump Train because that's where the audience was. I liked National Review and the Dispatch because they kept criticizing Trump from a place of principle.

Okay. If you do not think averring that white people would be the ones more qualified than these black women (and not people of any other race or ethnicity) is not a white supremacist statement per se, you are free to give the benefit of the doubt. But judging by the statements I have seen the man say over the years, I have no reason to give him or anyone else who would make such a statement un-ironically the benefit of the doubt.

I think what I posted separately is a fair and normal critique of Affirmative Action (that it creates this zero-sum system of distrust).

What leaves me hesitant is that my initial "Yeah I could see Kirk saying that" responses from a couple of days ago have reliably turned out to be "Well okay, there was context there that I did not know about, and which does change the nature of that comment".... which is why I would want to see the full context of the statement you highlighted.

From the stoning of gays nonsense (incidentally, what did you think of that exchange?) to the "he called the guy who attacked Pelosi's husband an amazing patriot" bit, we've been kind of flooded with misinformation about the dude by highly motivated tribal partisans. In those environments, it's generally best to be careful and deliberate before reaching sweeping conclusions.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Not the LEFT!!!

Um, who exactly?

Its possible that charlies verbal degradation of trans folk may have sent this 22 year old ( who obviously already had mental issues) over the edge.
This murder may of just been his disturbed way of standing up for his trans girlfriend.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

According to said family a recent convert to some really nutty left wing ideologies, currently in a gay relationship with a dude who thinks' he's a chick?

Because....being gay is a "left wing ideology"?

LOL ok.

 

[Manc Skipper]

 

[Linc]

Speaking of which, not sure anyone hated Kirk more than Fuentes/groypers.

There are those who have just dismissed groypers out of hand, without even knowing much about them, only because of the term ‘right’, as if it means they’re standard conservatives, but they’re far from it, they’re textbook fringe.

I don’t say it’s certain that Robinson is a groyper, but there sure are a lot of parallels all the way down to the inscriptions on the casings.

There are a lot of videos of Fuentes spewing some vile sh*t. Videos about groypers war against Kirk, groypers disrupting Kirk’s events going back about 5 years.

This video was Fuentes just last month.

“I don’t want to hear and you cannot allow Charlie Kirk to go to one more public event, one more question and answer, one more ask ‘em anything without being protested, without being shouted down, without being interrogated…”

QFT over and over

 

[TangoNoCash]

Well, he registered unaffiliated but he was clearly radicalized by the LEFT.

I didn’t see him at any of the meetings.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Charlie Kirk DID say stoning gay people was the 'perfect law' — and these other heinous quotes

These are some of his worst comments about LGBTQ+ people made by Charlie Kirk.

www.yahoo.com

Palestinians definitely support stoning gay people, but I notice the left has no problem with that.

I don’t think gay freedom is the biggest issue they have to deal with right now but that’s just my opinion.

 

[Parker_Chess]

I don't think there is definitive proof either way other than speculation. My huntch is he was on the right based on everything that I've read.

 

[mrjurrs]

According to said family a recent convert to some really nutty left wing ideologies, currently in a gay relationship with a dude who thinks' he's a chick?

People think he's an R because they want it to be so.

He's probably not an R or a D; he's probably a Nutjob.




The MtF boyfriend/roomate is cooperating with police. We'll get more, but the evidence since the arrest seems pretty one-directional.

Possibly.

Why do people think he's a D? Because elected R's told them he was. Do you see any difference?

 

[cpwill]

Possibly.

Why do people think he's a D? Because elected R's told them he was.

*And because he's in a gay relationship with a dude who thinks he's a female, scrawled "anti-fascist" stuff on his leave-behind material, and was described as being left-wing by his family.

 

[Lursa]

I don't think there is definitive proof either way other than speculation. My huntch is he was on the right based on everything that I've read.

I think so too. "Disaffected" right when it conflicted (heavily it seems) with what he found out in the real world...like gay and trans people are "people" too and worth loving, treating equally. He was rejecting all he'd been raised with under strong right-leaning and religious views.

He certainly wasnt emotionally prepared for that confusion and isolation.

There is a lesson to be learned here about continuing to treat other people as "less" or "evil" or "bad" or "wrong"...and that's why IMO, it's appropriate to be "inclusive" and accepting of 2 mommies/daddies and trans individuals in schools. Too bad if people want to whine "it's not normal!" Too bad...these kids, these families, are part of our society and arent doing anything wrong to be villified or excluded.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I just realized there is a typo in the thread title.

 

[Slartibartfast]

*And because he's in a gay relationship with a dude who thinks he's a female, scrawled "anti-fascist" stuff on his leave-behind material, and was described as being left-wing by his family.

The counter to that is that even Nick Fuentes (search Nick Fuentes and Destiny, the counterclaim is deep fake, but the "deepfake" was made at a time where AI's were making the Will Smith Eats Spaghetti level of quality videos) has admitted to gay sex, the anti-fascist stuff is well within groyper behavior, and the description as being left wing was pulled due to sourcing issues (https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/paper-retracts-claim-suspected-kirk-173533310.html)

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825 <-- this is who the shooter seems to follow and this guy is a verified white nationalist and holocaust denier.

 

[mrjurrs]

*And because he's in a gay relationship with a dude who thinks he's a female, scrawled "anti-fascist" stuff on his leave-behind material, and was described as being left-wing by his family.

Until that moves from anecdote to evidence it means nothing.

 

[cpwill]

The counter to that is that even Nick Fuentes (search Nick Fuentes and Destiny, the counterclaim is deep fake, but the "deepfake" was made at a time where AI's were making the Will Smith Eats Spaghetti level of quality videos) has admitted to gay sex, the anti-fascist stuff is well within groyper behavior, and the description as being left wing was pulled due to sourcing issues (https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/paper-retracts-claim-suspected-kirk-173533310.html)

As near as I can tell, this does not retract the reporting from the family, but from a high school associate after he said he didn't recall their relationship that well. The testimony of the family instead seems to jive with what state officials are reporting, which is that he had dived into some uglier left wing stuff.

But we will see what comes out. The trans boyfriend is apparently cooperating with law enforcement, and turning over their materials. We will continue to get a better picture.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825 <-- this is who the shooter seems to follow and this guy is a verified white nationalist and holocaust denier.

Sure - you get Milo's and Peter Thiels on the Right wing. But homosexuality still codes as left wing, as does trans, as does AntiFa screeds.

I've seen no evidence of him being a Fuentes fan other than a lot of people who seem to want to make it true by repeating it as though it was fact. The only "evidence" I've seen of him being a groyper is that he knows internet memes.... because.... you know
... only groypers use the internet..... which as an argument, isn't actually evidence, but instead wishcasting.

 

[cpwill]

Until that moves from anecdote to evidence it means nothing.

It's already evidence. What it isn't is unanswerable proof, which is an entirely different standard.

 

[mrjurrs]

It's already evidence. What it isn't is unanswerable proof, which is an entirely different standard.

Where is that evidence? A press conference? A social media post? A mother's words?

 

[cpwill]

Where is that evidence? A press conference? A social media post? A mother's words?

Those can indeed provide evidence, however, the list you were given is that he's in a gay relationship with a dude who thinks he's a female, scrawled "anti-fascist" stuff on his leave-behind material, and was described as being left-wing by his family.

 

[Slartibartfast]

As near as I can tell, this does not retract the reporting from the family, but from a high school associate after he said he didn't recall their relationship that well. The testimony of the family instead seems to jive with what state officials are reporting, which is that he had dived into some uglier left wing stuff.

We will see if the state officials are telling the truth or not. As it is, I don't see them as having a lot of credibility.

But we will see what comes out. The trans boyfriend is apparently cooperating with law enforcement, and turning over their materials. We will continue to get a better picture.

This is true, however, but having this kind of relationship isn't in and of itself anti-groyper.

Sure - you get Milo's and Peter Thiels on the Right wing. But homosexuality still codes as left wing, as does trans, as does AntiFa screeds.

This things are a probability cloud and the mapping isn't always cut and try. We have had instances of transsexual republicans, etc. This alone isn't strong evidence.

I've seen no evidence of him being a Fuentes fan other than a lot of people who seem to want to make it true by repeating it as though it was fact. The only "evidence" I've seen of him being a groyper is that he knows internet memes.... because.... you know
... only groypers use the internet..... which as an argument, isn't actually evidence, but instead wishcasting.

The evidence is in the memes in the bullets, the song selection, and the fact that the groyper community started going into damage control.

 

[Visbek]

I am really curious to know the specifics of the left wing ideology.

The vagueness is intentional.

It's a common authoritarian tactic. The vaguer the accusation, the harder it is to fight.

Authoritarians also use vagueness with policy prescriptions -- the fewer specifics, the better.