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"You shall not surely die"

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Seems this lie is still being told and taught as if truth, even today. You have an immortal soul, they say or the human nature of Jesus died on the cross and did not surely die, just one of his natures.

The Garden of Eden is alive and well through the generations. Eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil and you will die, says God.....once eaten we see ourselves as knowledgeable or immortals somehow and we die. Some believing through knowledge that God is not real, a fantasy while others professing a belief think they have an immortal soul and will not surely die.

Looks as if the first lie told still encompasses all of humanity, even today. In the midst of the Garden there were two trees, the Tree of Life and the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God said not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, yet said nothing of the Tree of Life, also in the midst, so it was free to eat.

It's still the same today in each of our lives and we have all ate of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and whether believer or not and the fruit form this tree is good for food, pleasant to the eyes, and one which would make us wise. The serpent said "you shall not surely die", but God has said, "you will die".

There's a key here, namely that in the midst of the Garden there still stands the Tree of Life.....it's still there ready to be eaten, whether believer or not, it's God's gift to us.
 
Please keep your Christian religion out of politics, it has no place there. Your god is not in charge of America politics, please keep him in Christmas.
 
redbeer said:
Seems this lie is still being told and taught as if truth, even today. You have an immortal soul, they say
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I don't think it is a lie to say that the soul is immortal.
After all, it is a supernatural.



Ecclesiastes 12:7
And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.


Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.


That's why no one can kill the soul.






But GOD can destroy the soul.
Why?

Because HE is GOD..................................and with GOD, everything is possible.





redbeer said:
the human nature of Jesus died on the cross and did not surely die, just one of his natures.
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I think what that says is that CHRIST - God in HUMAN form - has died on the cross.
 
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While your presentation is a bit all over the place and didn't really present a central thesis, I think you are essentially correct.

There is a thematic story to The Bible where the theology around Jesus ties into the events of the Garden of Eden pretty cleanly.
 

Bible Question:​


I am confused about the words and or the saying - Jesus died. I am asking who died on the cross? I believe that God cannot, did not, and will not die. Which means the human inside of Jesus died.
If that is true, then a β€œhuman” paid for all human sins. If that is true, then what did God have to with it?
Or, why did God have to become flesh, since God did not die. The flesh died.
What was the purpose, or the need, for God to become flesh, if God cannot die? What sacrifice did God endure? God did not die!


Bible Answer:​


The prophecy of Micah 5:2 promised that our God would take on human flesh. It is clear from Matthew 2:1-6 that this prophecy was fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

But what does that mean that God became a man? Was Jesus two separate persons?



Did only the human part of Jesus die on the cross?

You will discover what happened on the cross when Jesus died. Did Jesus die on the cross or did Jesus' body die on the cross? Discover the asnwer.
www.neverthirsty.org
 

It's just a stance of seeing outside the belief God is not real and those who believe yet think they have an immortal soul. Both are positions after eating from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. One side doesn't care from lack of belief through knowledge they assume to possess and the other by still following the first lie ever told.

We are all mortal creatures which will die.
 

Have you looked at the definition of "soul" in the bible?


H5315
נ֢׀֢שׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
Total KJV occurrences: 753


This comes from the first time used in the bible from Gen 2:7. Look closely at its meaning.
 
redbeer said:
It's just a stance of seeing outside the belief God is not real and those who believe yet think they have an immortal soul. Both are positions after eating from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
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We didn't actually eat from the tree...................................but have all been tainted by the sin of Adam and Eve.
It's been passed down to us.


Kinda like you inherit your parents' genius.
 


There are many ways that the word "soul," is used in the Bible. As you indicate.


Use it, in the context that you mean.

Your argument uses it in the context that it is not immortal.
We're talking about the supernatural.
 





1 Tim 6
16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see.



As that line says...............

There is only ONE IMMORTAL to begin with: G O D.




But He created us in His image....................................... with souls that are immortal.
 
redbeer said:
This is the Theology forum, hence why it's in here. You are free not to post.
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I am also free to post whether you like it or not. Did I disrespect you in some way? Have you considered your beliefs are not the only beliefs in america as far as religion is concerned? As far as I'm concerned Christian religion is waaaaaaaaay to involved in our politics. Even your christian god says you must follow man's law first.
 

You're disrupting us!


He has his own signature.
Don't you understand SIGNATURE?


I like this topic......but you're here bringing on nonsense and idiotic arguments that are not even related to RELIGION!



Are you going to continue with such a stupid disruption?
Do we have to endure and put up with it?
 

It's never been about God becoming a man, it's been about God being 'with' Jesus, being 'in' Jesus, for Jesus tells us oftentimes how His Father was 'in' him, working through him, commanding him what to speak, working miracles through Jesus.

The coming of Jesus was prophesied from old, long before he came into existence. He, Jesus did die, not a nature, but his entirety died as all men do. It took His God and Father to raise him from the dead, and afterwords was raised to Heaven, wherein God gave him the promise of the HS. This is the promises granted to us all.

The wages of sin IS death and if Jesus only appeared to die or simply a nature died, then you remain in your sins, as we are told. It's believing to ole lie, "you shall not surely die".......there remains in the midst of the Garden, the Tree of Life and it remains freely to partake.
 
tosca1 said:
We didn't actually eat from the tree...................................but have all been tainted by the sin of Adam and Eve.
It's been passed down to us.


Kinda like you inherit your parents' genius.
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The Garden is a picture of each of our lives and I don't blame my sins upon my parents or whoever came before me. I have eaten from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil and will surely die. I believe God not the serpent.
 


We're not going to go around in circles again with that non-Trinity position.
That's been rebutted.

There, bumped it up.
 
tosca1 said:
There are many ways that the word "soul," is used in the Bible. As you indicate.


Use it, in the context that you mean.

Your argument uses it in the context that it is not immortal.
We're talking about the supernatural.
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Only God is immortal. I am a man who will die and return to the dust from where I came. The faith I have was even given to me and rest in the promises given to Jesus will also be given to me.
 


We're not going to go around in circles again with that non-Trinity position.




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I've been quoting verses this past couple of days – verses that show Jesus is God Himself, incarnated, to dwell among the people and to save mankind. I thought I'd exhausted everything...... until this morning. I'm on the Book of Revelation these days, and I just finished reading Chapter 21...
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redbeer said:
Only God is immortal. I am a man who will die and return to the dust from where I came.
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.........................and your soul will return to GOD.


Your soul will not turn to dust since........................................ it's not made from dust (GOD's BREATH).

It's God's breath...................remember?




What happens to it when we physically die?
It will go with the corpse that turns back to dust...............................patiently waiting......................twiddling his thumbs?
 

Lol, is this a political board in this forum? The OP is directed not only at believers but also non-believers, but you don't wish to discuss then why are you posting while disregarding the topic?
 

Only a part of your nature dies?....as in "you shall not surely die".....see the similarities?
 
redbeer said:
Only a part of your nature dies?
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EH? A question mark to boot.

Surely you don't expect me to take in your speculation rather than go by the bible?







....as in "you shall not surely die".....
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That's about the SECOND DEATH.






see the similarities?
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No.


They're two separate issues.


One is talking about physical death........................which NO ONE CAN ESCAPE FROM!
We're all going to go thru that process - of dyng physically!
ALL of us!


While the other is talking about JUDGEMENT DAY and the second death.


Compare them:

You shall not surely die.
We're all going to PHYSICALLY die.


They're more like opposites, as a matter of fact.

Therefore, "you shall not surely die," isn't referring to the physical!
We can clearly see that it isn't so.
WE ALL SURELY DIE...............PHYSICALLY!
 
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