no your making up excuses that everyone can, when they in fact cant. Also many that can, cant do it in a timely fashion. Thats just the reality of things.
I don't agree that it is discrimination or unfair either. Its just employers trying to automate hiring a bit and reduce costs and having to apply online is a side effect. Honestly though, the best way to remedy something like this would be to add a few kiosks to the local unemployment office.
I think it depends on the amount of trouble finding a computer is. If it is not something readily available, then their ability to search and apply for jobs may be reduced, meaning fewer jobs applied for per day, possibly leading to a longer time unemployed. For example, if the nearest available computer is at the unemployment office or library and there is a waiting period or a person has to make an appointment. If a person is using their friend's computer, they may not be able to use it as long as they need to do apply for the maximum number of jobs they could apply to in that particular day. Its in this sort of dynamic where I see the problem. Its less a matter of willpower as you imply and more of a matter that life is complex and there is a lot of small inefficiencies in our day that can add up quickly, that exist no matter the size of our balls. Those inefficiencies do end up having a public cost, such as in extended unemployment.
Therefore while absolutely not being able to apply is an obvious problem, the reduced ability to job hunt is also a problem.
If every employer only allowed e-applications, that would be an issue. Most do not.
I don't agree that it is discrimination or unfair either. Its just employers trying to automate hiring a bit and reduce costs and having to apply online is a side effect. Honestly though, the best way to remedy something like this would be to add a few kiosks to the local unemployment office.
My company did it and we didnt make it the burden of the applicant, it decreased hard-copies quite a bit but we still accept hard-copies so we arent guilty of denying employment for dumb unrelated reasons.
kiosks to the local unemployment office is great but that still doesnt give everyone easy access.
My point is if one applicant is denied access for something they do not need to perform at the job it seems wrong.
Maybe in THIS case im just over thinking and using to much common sense and caring to much LOL
Proof would suggest that they couldn't come to my house, so how could I use that argument? You either phrased things poorly (true), or misrepresented yourself (who knows). The fact is that not all employers require on-line applications. The fact is that applying online does not discriminate based on sexual orientation, race, religion, or disability. The fact is that employers can require anything they want of applicants at any point in the application process, as long as they do not discriminate on the issues listed above. The fact is, you cannot prove that any single person could never access the internet to apply for a job if they felt so compelled.
Those are facts. Your statement was not. I don't have to support any argument, yours is the one in question.
How many poor people have you seen without a Blackberry or smartphone? Come on! I see them all the time. Don't tell me they can't apply online.
I think it depends on the amount of trouble finding a computer is. If it is not something readily available, then their ability to search and apply for jobs may be reduced, meaning fewer jobs applied for per day, possibly leading to a longer time unemployed. For example, if the nearest available computer is at the unemployment office or library and there is a waiting period or a person has to make an appointment. If a person is using their friend's computer, they may not be able to use it as long as they need to do apply for the maximum number of jobs they could apply to in that particular day. Its in this sort of dynamic where I see the problem. Its less a matter of willpower as you imply and more of a matter that life is complex and there is a lot of small inefficiencies in our day that can add up quickly, that exist no matter the size of our balls. Those inefficiencies do end up having a public cost, such as in extended unemployment.
Therefore while absolutely not being able to apply is an obvious problem, the reduced ability to job hunt is also a problem.
Then not all jobs are available to everyone.
If someone can not find the motivation to find a computer to apply for a job, I would not want them working for me.
exactly
reality vs people assuming their situation is like everyone elses.
Thanks for stating meaningless things that nobody was debating.LOL
Fact is everyone does not have internet access and if you think thats false you have a serious lack of understanding reality.:shrug:
again assumption that all someone needs is motivation. This is not true.
Although if it was the ONLY reason I would agree with you. they couldnt work for me either.
Problem already solved.
The local unemployment office has these and offers help creating resumes and applying for jobs.
People assuming something is easy for everyone because it is easy for them is a huge problem in politics actually.
People assuming something is easy for everyone because it is easy for them is a huge problem in politics actually.
And assuming that people can't be resourceful because it's "hard" or they're somehow downtrodden is ultimately a huge problem with society.
I never said that there aren't people who don't have immediate access to the internet. I said that it's pretty silly to assume that a person could not find access if their only job option was with a company that required e-applications.
The fact that computers are so widespread and that there are multiple secondary options for personal use, besides owning a computer, means that there is no excuse, baring the person can not walk, nor read.
Then again, I wouldn't be inclined to hire that person either.
And what if you can't get there during the hours they are open cause you are already working or what if the UO is out of your range where you can travel timely or financially but your work isnt?
again I know this would probably be extremely rare but it just shows there no reason why a job cant take hard copy apps
And assuming that people can't be resourceful because it's "hard" or they're somehow downtrodden is ultimately a huge problem with society.
My god man, you're creating all sorts of excuses.
Does this fictional person not have a day off?
The library is open on weekends, friends and family are typically open 24/7 if you need it.
There are so few reasonable scenarios where this wouldn't work that it makes it largely a non issue.
No one is asking these people to cross the damn desert, with a thimble of water.
who did that?, NOT me in anyway shape or form and not megaprogman LOL
and the reality is that its not silly its very possible whether you accept that reality or not.
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