You have NO right to exercise your religion

[TurtleDude]

I was just comparing how federalism does not affect the people. I am curious, how many levels of separation are necessary before a valid claim can be made that a government does not affect the lives of the people it governs.

again that makes no sense as to what I was saying

 

[Master PO]

your post makes no sense.

pardon me...post 90

The whole thing.

 

[prometeus]

again that makes no sense as to what I was saying

Nor was your post as to what I posted initially in a response to another poster.
The issue is whether the people are or are not affected by the federal government. If you are willing to forgo talking points of leftists and their understanding of federalism, perhaps we can come to some understanding.

 

[Master PO]

yeah - you have made it very clear you cannot cite a single law and tell us why it is a violation of your theory of the limited powers of Congress. A theory that not a single US Supreme Court decision in over 220 years agrees with. A theory that puts you on on a limb all by yourself with not a thing to support you except your own extremism.

no haymarket, your just trying to create something out of nothing....showing you a statute we not make any difference to you...if you wish you can look up the federal statute for the creation of the dept of education...you have my blessing.

 

[TurtleDude]

Nor was your post as to what I posted initially in a response to another poster.
The issue is whether the people are or are not affected by the federal government. If you are willing to forgo talking points of leftists and their understanding of federalism, perhaps we can come to some understanding.

the federal government was intended to deal with US relationships with other nations, the Indian tribes and resolving disputes between the several states for the most part.

 

[Master PO]

Barkmann..... was the 1958 National Defense Education Act unconstitutional in your opinion as well?

The National Defense Education Act (NDEA) was signed into law on September 2, 1958, providing funding to United States education institutions at all levels

education is not a constitutional power, also anything which redistributes money to people or business, is also unconstitutional.

 

[Master PO]

I am just curious, who the **** is supposed to be governed under this Constitution?

the constitution creates federalism between the states and the federal government, state governments are to be involved in the life's liberty and property of the people.

the federal government roles is external, for the union as a whole not internal........


federalist 45-the powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

 

[prometeus]

the constitution creates federalism between the states and the federal government, state governments are to be involved in the life's liberty and property of the people.

the federal government roles is external, for the union as a whole not internal........


federalist 45-the powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

So you are of the opinion that wars, commerce and taxation have no effect on people?

 

[prometeus]

the federal government was intended to deal with US relationships with other nations, the Indian tribes and resolving disputes between the several states for the most part.

Yes and all that has a direct effect on the lives of the people.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes and all that has a direct effect on the lives of the people.

you have changed the issue. I argue the the federal government was not intended to regulate-for the most part-what private citizens did. such as own guns, serve or not serve other people in their businesses etc. You apparently don't want to argue that but want to use the ill defined ""direct effect"

 

[Master PO]

So you are of the opinion that wars, commerce and taxation have no effect on people?

War....under the founders...you are not forced to serve....there is no compulsion....therefore it is not involved in the personal life's of the people.

Commerce ......under the founders, was granted to the federal government to prevent trade wars and barriers..... state governments were involved in under the A of C, has nothing to do with the people.

Taxation ...under the founders....was placed on states, taxation was apportioned by population, taxes were collected from the people based on commerce which was voluntary.....there were no direct taxes on the people......it was unconstitutional under the founders, and in the constitution.

 

[haymarket]

pardon me...post 90

another post of yours which makes no sense

 

[haymarket]

no haymarket, your just trying to create something out of nothing....showing you a statute we not make any difference to you...if you wish you can look up the federal statute for the creation of the dept of education...you have my blessing.

Sadly, your efforts have really been shown to be bankrupt as you cannot even cite one single law on your own.

 

[Master PO]

another post of yours which makes no sense

makes a lot of sense..you provided nothing but the words" the whole thing"

 

[haymarket]

The National Defense Education Act (NDEA) was signed into law on September 2, 1958, providing funding to United States education institutions at all levels

education is not a constitutional power, also anything which redistributes money to people or business, is also unconstitutional.

Can you cite the opinion of anybody during that time who felt that the NDEA was unconstitutional?

 

[haymarket]

makes a lot of sense..you provided nothing but the words" the whole thing"

and you don't know what that means in a reply to the reprinting all of Article I, Section 8!?!?!?!?!? :doh:shock::roll:

 

[Master PO]

Sadly, your efforts have really been shown to be bankrupt as you cannot even cite one single law on your own.

again don't need to ...all education by the federal government is unconstitutional

as the founders denied that power.. to the federal government at the constitutional convention.

 

[haymarket]

again don't need to ...all education by the federal government is unconstitutional

as the founders denied that power.. to the federal government at the constitutional convention.

so take the 1958 Defense Education Act and tell us a single person who thought it was unconstitutional at that time.

 

[Master PO]

and you don't know what that means in a reply to the reprinting all of Article I, Section 8!?!?!?!?!? :doh:shock::roll:

as stated before none of the general powers of congress have anything to do with the personal life's of the people.

 

[Master PO]

so take the 1958 Defense Education Act and tell us a single person who thought it was unconstitutional at that time.

does not matter if no one thought it was, the founders REJECTED education by the federal government at the constitutional convention.

 

[haymarket]

as stated before none of the general powers of congress have anything to do with the personal life's of the people.

that nonsense has already been thoroughly thrashed and smashed, crushed and flushed, and consigned to the toilet of the site. It all has to do with the people in the end - all those powers you listed.

 

[Master PO]

that nonsense has already been thoroughly thrashed and smashed, crushed and flushed, and consigned to the toilet of the site. It all has to do with the people in the end - all those powers you listed.

where have you done this...what post number please?



i still don't have a number, from you, showing how you trashed me......number please.

 

[haymarket]

does not matter if no one thought it was, the founders REJECTED education by the federal government at the constitutional convention.

Actually it does matter very much as it shows you are either an isolated extremist out there on a limb all by yourself or you have support from responsible people.

So which is it?

 

[Master PO]

Actually it does matter very much as it shows you are either an isolated extremist out there on a limb all by yourself or you have support from responsible people.

So which is it?

so because i stated...again i stated ............that the founders rejected education by the federal government at the constitutional convention......that makes me an extremist.......so for saying the truth.... which is in the convention notes, taken by James Madison......this is an extremist position?:2razz:

 

[haymarket]

where have you done this...what post number please?

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