You have NO right to exercise your religion

[KokomoJojo]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

And congress didnt, however a state religion was nontheless established.

They dont prohibit a specific religion they prohibit the EXERCISE of specific actions destroying the intent to get around it in the courts by thousands of narrowly chosen prohibitions.

So the feds do not prohibit the free exercise but the states refuse to acknowledge it and pass laws prohibiting it and "We the Dummies" are non the wiser.

I have seen no state constitution that uses the word "exercise" and the state constitution controls.

You have the right to PRAY and that is where it ends!

The state by it mountain of narrow prohibitions have created a "state religion" and you are forced by these narrow rulings to EXERCISE in accord with the state religion or be jailed or fined or both.

How about that.

 

[American]

Yeah, how about that? You haven't specific in any way, so know one knows WTF you're talking about. You got specific laws you're talking about?

 

[joG]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

And congress didnt, however a state religion was nontheless established.

They dont prohibit a specific religion they prohibit the EXERCISE of specific actions destroying the intent to get around it in the courts by thousands of narrowly chosen prohibitions.

So the feds do not prohibit the free exercise but the states refuse to acknowledge it and pass laws prohibiting it and "We the Dummies" are non the wiser.

I have seen no state constitution that uses the word "exercise" and the state constitution controls.

You have the right to PRAY and that is where it ends!

The state by it mountain of narrow prohibitions have created a "state religion" and you are forced by these narrow rulings to EXERCISE in accord with the state religion or be jailed or fined or both.

How about that.

Where I live a teacher cannot even cover her head with a religiously motivated carrée in class. You are fined as a women in Paris, if you ware a burca, though rich Saudi women seem to be immune.

 

[1750Texan]

Where I live a teacher cannot even cover her head with a religiously motivated carrée in class. You are fined as a women in Paris, if you ware a burca, though rich Saudi women seem to be immune.

The Constitution of the United States of America has no effect way over there in Paris, France. It is not a long distance constitution.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Maybe its time to outlaw religion in the US. Seems very divisive. Well at least any Christian religions.

 

[Gardener]

How about that.

Well, you do seem to have the right to indulge in an unfocused rant lacking any semblance of critical thinking skills and to do so outside of your usual conspiracy theory home which was designed for those completely lacking in such skills.

 

[ginwood]

Since ALL religion deals with and is based upon irrationality, it's hard to feel like "losing" it is a big blow to humanity.

 

[joG]

The Constitution of the United States of America has no effect way over there in Paris, France. It is not a long distance constitution.

Pity, really.

 

[ginwood]

let other countries have their own revolutionary and civil wars, pay the prices our forefathers have paid, or suffer for the lack thereof.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yeah, how about that? You haven't specific in any way, so know one knows WTF you're talking about. You got specific laws you're talking about?

Yes, I agree.

Could we have perhaps a link to something specific we can deal with? I should also like to point out that there is no nation, no empire that can prevent me from "exercising" my faith. Romans could not and eventually capitulated, Nazi's tried and failed. China has found that allowing Christianity costs the state less and therefore the floodgates have opened and we discover that there are far more Christians there than anyone ever thought, as was the case under Stalin. The Christian faith has actually fallen off now that the state no longer bans a god of any kind.

Make all the laws you want. Christians have been persecuted since Pontius Pilate and has survived worldwide.

Nor do I comprehend why atheists are so threatened by us.

 

[ludin]

Yes, I agree.

Could we have perhaps a link to something specific we can deal with? I should also like to point out that there is no nation, no empire that can prevent me from "exercising" my faith. Romans could not and eventually capitulated, Nazi's tried and failed. China has found that allowing Christianity costs the state less and therefore the floodgates have opened and we discover that there are far more Christians there than anyone ever thought, as was the case under Stalin. The Christian faith has actually fallen off now that the state no longer bans a god of any kind.

Make all the laws you want. Christians have been persecuted since Pontius Pilate and has survived worldwide.

Nor do I comprehend why atheists are so threatened by us.

“People fear what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer.”

― Andrew Smith

i think that sums it up. They don't understand and they hate that they can't force people to capitulate to their way of thinking.
They fear because somewhere deep down they have to be debating. if what they say is true then i am in trouble.

If i die and there really is nothing beyond this life (which i have faith in that there isn't) then i have lost nothing and have bettered myself for it.
If they die and are wrong then it is a different story.

while pascals wager isn't a good argument it isn't here to argue as it is to illustrate.

 

[Visbek]

And congress didnt, however a state religion was nontheless established.

News to me. Which one is it?

They dont prohibit a specific religion they prohibit the EXERCISE of specific actions destroying the intent to get around it in the courts by thousands of narrowly chosen prohibitions.

They aren't prohibiting the exercise of religion. You can join whatever religion you want, you can send your kid to a private religious school, you can donate as much as you like to your religion, you can preach your views in public, you can try to convert people to your opinions. You can do much, much more than "just pray."

You can walk out into a public square and spend your whole day preaching Christianity, and trying to convert people. Do that in Medina, and you're going to jail.

What the law does, ideally, is prevent the state from telling you which religion to believe, or take actions that potentially privilege a specific religion. Or, they will generally not let you cite your religion to excuse you from current laws -- e.g. you cannot claim to practice an ancient Mayan religion, and perform acts of human sacrifice.

Or, to put it another way: What religious activity is it that you want to do, that the state prevents you from doing?

 

[digsbe]

The state telling you that you cannot pray is infringing upon the free exercise thereof. What the Constitution does is ban theocracy or the state appointing a religion as a state religion while allowing individuals to believe and practice their religions as they see fit.

 

[Visbek]

The state telling you that you cannot pray is infringing upon the free exercise thereof.

When and where, specifically, does the state tell you that you "cannot pray?"

What the Constitution does is ban theocracy or the state appointing a religion as a state religion while allowing individuals to believe and practice their religions as they see fit.

Pretty much. And having a public school teacher lead children in a Christian prayer, or putting a copy of the Ten Commandments in a courtroom, would qualify as establishing a religion. Nor does it stop a child from praying before they go to school, or stop the judge from basing his own private convictions in theology.

 

[Moon]

I like pie.

 

[lawboy]

And congress didnt, however a state religion was nontheless established.

The Establishment Clause applies to the states, therefore under the "Lemon test", such would violate the 1st AM.

 

[faithful_servant]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

And congress didnt, however a state religion was nontheless established.

They dont prohibit a specific religion they prohibit the EXERCISE of specific actions destroying the intent to get around it in the courts by thousands of narrowly chosen prohibitions.

So the feds do not prohibit the free exercise but the states refuse to acknowledge it and pass laws prohibiting it and "We the Dummies" are non the wiser.

I have seen no state constitution that uses the word "exercise" and the state constitution controls.

You have the right to PRAY and that is where it ends!

The state by it mountain of narrow prohibitions have created a "state religion" and you are forced by these narrow rulings to EXERCISE in accord with the state religion or be jailed or fined or both.

How about that.

This is one of the most confusing, non-cohesive posts I've ever read. Could you try to put your points into something resembling a cognizant format that actually makes sense? I'd like to beat you into an intellectual pulp with the massive flaws in the little that I can figure out from this, but I'm not clear on what it that you're saying other than you don't like religion and somehow think that the Constitution backs that sentiment.

 

[Ceist]

Yes, I agree.


Make all the laws you want. Christians have been persecuted since Pontius Pilate and has survived worldwide.

Nor do I comprehend why atheists are so threatened by us.

More like: Christians have been persecuting others since the time of Constantine.

 

[Master PO]

states were not prohibited from creating state religions in America, they existed before and after the constitution was ratified, up until about 1818.

the 1st states "Congress shall make no law"

the first 10 amendments of the constitution did not apply to state governments until after the civil war.

the 9th amendment recognizes many many rights we have, including more then just praying.

 

[Gardener]

This is one of the most confusing, non-cohesive posts I've ever read. .

Not to mention downright unintelligent. What, with the title of the thread saying people have no right to exercise their religion and the opening statement referring to a passage that states quite clearly that there are to be no laws preventing such, the complete lack of rational thought is downright laughable.

What's next -- saying women have no right to vote by quoting the 19th amendment?

 

[maquiscat]

Yeah, how about that? You haven't specific in any way, so know one knows WTF you're talking about. You got specific laws you're talking about?

10 bucks says that the OP never replies to any of this thread.

 

[KokomoJojo]

10 bucks says that the OP never replies to any of this thread.

you lose, use paypal and send it to me

 

[KokomoJojo]

the 9th amendment recognizes many many rights we have, including more then just praying.

however this is not about franchise rights, its about YOUR religion not someone elses and the ability to exercise it.

 

[KokomoJojo]

The Establishment Clause applies to the states, therefore under the "Lemon test", such would violate the 1st AM.

So you dont believe in the state?
What happens to those who dont believe in the states version of what is "right and wrong"?

 

[KokomoJojo]

When and where, specifically, does the state tell you that you "cannot pray?"

praying is not "exercising" your religion.