I was thinking of how unfair it is to frame the abortion debate as choice verses life. Making abortion illegal doesn't take away the woman's choice to abort, only to do it safely. And, punishing women for making the choice to abort does not guarantee fetal life. So, the real debate is doctor verses hangar or dogma verses truth, but not life verses choice. That way of framing the argument is loaded with false rhetoric.
I'm almost at the point where I feel that any legislation that is supported overwhelmingly and almost exclusively by the faithful should be automatically rejected on the grounds that it becomes a de facto religious act
Because the unborn are not yet complete, have yet to develop the attributes beyond DNA that will make them *more* than human and may not even survive to be born to do so (15-20% are miscarried). They have not achieved the physical and mental attributes that do contribute to the status of born people as 'persons' under the law. It's not necessarily negative or positive....just fact. Until birth or at least viability, the unborn are less. To compare born persons to the unborn is to imply the born are 'less' as well.
Lursa said:The unborn cannot exercise any rights independently. None. Before birth it has no rights that can be separated from the mother (physically, legally, ethically, practically). It's a dependency that truly demonstrates that it is not equal.
I was thinking of how unfair it is to frame the abortion debate as choice verses life. Making abortion illegal doesn't take away the woman's choice to abort, only to do it safely. And, punishing women for making the choice to abort does not guarantee fetal life. So, the real debate is doctor verses hangar or dogma verses truth, but not life verses choice. That way of framing the argument is loaded with false rhetoric.
That is so freaking dumb. Making anything illegal doesn't take away the choice to do it. The point of making something illegal is to punish people that decide to take part in the activity that is illegal. If making something illegal just stopped people from committing the act then we would have no use for fines, courts or prisons.
Exclusively no, mostly by far.it's false and absurd to assert the pro-life position is predicated on religion or a religious belief.
Exclusively no, mostly by far.
Which part?Still no.
Which part?
Exclusively no, mostly by far.
According to a study by the Guttmacher Institute, "Almost three-quarters of women obtaining abortions in 2008 reported a religious affiliation. The largest proportion were Protestant (37 percent), and most of the rest said that they were Catholic (28 percent) or that they had no religious affiliation (27 percent). One in five abortion patients identified themselves as born-again, evangelical, charismatic or fundamentalist; 75 percent of these were Protestant.”
And sure, lock 'em up for having an abortion! A woman who just had a procedure to enable her to be a more productive and contributing member of society...locked up and now costing tax payers more $$. Such logic!
Yeah, the pro-life side does not remotely hold the moral High Ground here.
it's false and absurd to assert the pro-life position is predicated on religion or a religious belief.
That is so freaking dumb. Making anything illegal doesn't take away the choice to do it. The point of making something illegal is to punish people that decide to take part in the activity that is illegal. If making something illegal just stopped people from committing the act then we would have no use for fines, courts or prisons.
I hate having to argue that the sky is blue. Please spare me the willful ignorance of who is defending what. Those with a secular humanist sense of morality overwhelmingly support abortion rights and those who subscribe to a dogmatic morality overwhelmingly oppose it. Thus, safe abortions are much easier to get in truly secular countries like Sweden than in religious places like Texas or Afghanistan.
If you are pro-life, you have the catholics, the muslims and most protestant sects on your side and, despite what you claim here, they defend their position using words like "innocent", which is directly connected to the sense of shared sin that babies are born in to, according to the Abrahamic faiths, as well as the idea that god rightfully determines who lives and who doesn't.
So, not wanting to believe something does not make it true. In this case, the evidence is clear that religion is very much a part of the pro-life movement. I respectfully disagree with your opinion and the dishonest agenda of soft selling the religious component thereof that is obvious to those who are honestly looking at the issue.
That's the thing about abortion, though. When they're done illegally, half the time the woman dies in the process or renders herself unable to carry future fetuses.
it's false and absurd to assert the pro-life position is predicated on religion or a religious belief.
Good. Dead or sterilized, either way such scum won't be killing future victims in this manner.
Did you survive and abortion attempt? Is that why you are so filled with hate?
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ahh, so you actually think it's a fact that the pro-life position is predicated on religion/religious belief... amazing :lamo
unfortunately, your fact is false.... while religion surely endorses the pro-life position, it's a position that is not exclusive to religion, nor is it necessary to hold religious beliefs to endorse the pro-life position.
you need to do more thinking and less typing...
Good. Dead or sterilized, either way such scum won't be killing future victims in this manner.
It's an immutable fact of human nature that the biggest evil can thrive in the smallest minds. Suddenly revealed, it never ceases to shock me.
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