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You can learn about white history in Florida every day. ron desantis just stopped advanced placement African-American studies in Florida.

Moon said:
I never said I knew a lot about it, I said I knew what was goin on, as in I knew why Florida rejected the curriculum. It was in that Townhall piece you didn’t read. At least what they presented makes more sense than most of the crap I’ve seen posted in the thread.
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Then you can give us a few examples of how it violates the state ban on critical race Theory.

Right?
 
Moon said:
Maybe the College Board will work with the state and come up with a solution. If not, maybe some other third party provider will develop an AP curriculum that focuses on the history and less in the social justice bits.
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That’s not possible.

This is the nationwide AP course that will be worldwide next year. They can’t change it just for FL.

AP African American Studies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Moon said:
It’s in the Townhall piece you won’t read.
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That apparently you didn't read either. Else you could give me an example. Tell us how the curriculum violates a ban on critical race theory. Then we can see if your blog link is even worth reading.
 
CaughtInThe said:
There was actually a law that addressed this until ole ron and the whitewashers came along...


Florida Statute 1003.42 encourages ” … students to develop an understanding of the ramifications of prejudice, racism, and stereotyping on individual freedoms, examine what it means to be a responsible and respectful person, for the purpose of encouraging tolerance of diversity in a pluralistic society and for nurturing and protecting democratic values and institutions.”

That law was terrible huh?
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The law, and policies like this, which focus on White students, or White employees (where businesses have these policies) are in fact discriminating; they are targeting White people and attempting to blame them individually for transgression which they may not have done.

Teaching tolerance has always been present in public schools, going back to the civil rights movement. What has not been the policy until more recently is the attempt to force certain students to accept THEIR privilege or else be treated as being part of the problem. It is that part that is total bullshit.


CaughtInThe said:
Almost like what you would learn in a loving and caring Church where the adults teach the kids what has happened in the past so not to make the same mistakes in the future.
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Public education is secular, it is not church.
CaughtInThe said:
So little ron is using that to restrict teaching history of what happened to black people in our country. It's pretty ****ing disgusting. But that's what racists do...


"Historic events like the Rosewood massacre – which occurred a century ago on Jan. 1st – the Tallahassee bus boycott, and the bombing of the home of civil rights advocates Harry T. and Harriett Moore on Christmas Day 1951, have been left out of acknowledgment, commemoration, and conversation by the DeSantis administration."
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In any of these so called lessons on past incidents of mans inhumanity to man. How much time to they spend discussing the evll acts of cultures and societies who are other than White/European?

Teach math, science, and reading. Social justice engineering most people have had enough of.
 
Yahoo News....but it makes a point. DeSantis complains about political bias in course and then bans it due to his own political bias...

Many of Florida’s educational policies in the last two years appear to have been guided by Christopher Rufo, a right-wing activist who emerged in 2021 as a standard-bearer in the educational culture wars. (Rufo was recently one of six DeSantis appointees charged with turning New College, a small liberal arts school, into a beacon of conservatism.)

In April, with Rufo at his side, DeSantis signed the Stop W.O.K.E. Act, which makes it almost impossible for educators to teach about racial or gender discrimination. He and Republican lawmakers — who control the state Legislature — have also mandated that civics education in the state focus on patriotism. Among the institutions allowed to review the civics guidelines was Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian institution. (Hillsdale is the model for the governor’s and Rufo’s vision for New College.)

Florida has 2.9 million public school students. Any curricular decisions made there are potentially consequential for educators and students in other states, especially as Republican governors seek to emulate the moves that have made DeSantis popular with the party’s base. Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Arkansas’s new and first female governor, recently attracted a top Florida education official to run her state’s schools.
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Super Chief said:
Teach math, science, and reading. Social justice engineering most people have had enough of.
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This is a singular, elective, AP history class offered ONLY to students that have completed all the social studies credits required for graduation with a 3.0 or higher GPA.

A class that allowed them to earn college credit while attending high school so that they wouldn’t have to pay for college credit. Instead, students across the US in other states, and next year globally, have the opportunity to earn those college credits, but DeSantis has stopped FL students from doing so.
 
JMR said:
Yahoo News....but it makes a point. DeSantis complains about political bias in course and then bans it due to his own political bias...
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Because low IQ morons like DeSantis think political bias means saying things they don't agree with. Political bias is basically about parties and partisanship. But this guy's a freaking moron. Let's face it.
 
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Galactic Spin said:
That apparently you didn't read either. Else you could give me an example. Tell us how the curriculum violates a ban on critical race theory. Then we can see if your blog link is even worth reading.
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The state of Florida (government entity, not the patch of ground) hasn’t released their specific reasons for rejecting the curriculum. What Townhall has provided is their assessment based on the curriculum documents they have.
 
Moon said:
The state of Florida (government entity, not the patch of ground) hasn’t released their specific reasons for rejecting the curriculum.
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Well of course not. Because this is a farce to appeal to hillbilly racists.

Just put the terms "African American studies" and "CRT" next to each other, put a classless, power hungry moron in the middle, and you got yourself a gourmet hillbilly racist sandwich.
 
BirdinHand said:
This is a singular, elective, AP history class offered ONLY to students that have completed all the social studies credits required for graduation with a 3.0 or higher GPA.

A class that allowed them to earn college credit while attending high school so that they wouldn’t have to pay for college credit. Instead, students across the US in other states, and next year globally, have the opportunity to earn those college credits, but DeSantis has stopped FL students from doing so.
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The class sounds like a waste of taxpayer money, and not appropriate for high school students. If they want to offer these social justice classes in college then fine, but still seems to be a waste of time to me. Teach history if you will. Discuss it in good faith, the good and the bad. But focusing on changing something about the students is not appropriate. It is not the role of public secular schools to teach some brand of morality, that is something that belongs at home, or church, or temple, or mosque.

It is dangerous to have teachers inserting their brand of morality on children, it opens the door for all kinds of abuse and indoctrination. Children are capable of processing adult themes when it comes to history. They can logically figure out right and wrong for themselves. Putting students in a classroom and then based on race pointing out some as victims and some as oppressors is exactly why the governor of Florida is stepping up to end this horrible type of policy.
 
ambinonapronon said:
You edit history.
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So history shouldn't be a part of our core curriculum? How can that make sense? And I do know you can edit history. None of us has been taught unedited American history. As George Orwell so wisely said, “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
 
Super Chief said:
The class sounds like a waste of taxpayer money, and not appropriate for high school students. If they want to offer these social justice classes in college then fine, but still seems to be a waste of time to me. Teach history if you will. Discuss it in good faith, the good and the bad. But focusing on changing something about the students is not appropriate. It is not the role of public secular schools to teach some brand of morality, that is something that belongs at home, or church, or temple, or mosque.

It is dangerous to have teachers inserting their brand of morality on children, it opens the door for all kinds of abuse and indoctrination. Children are capable of processing adult themes when it comes to history. They can logically figure out right and wrong for themselves. Putting students in a classroom and then based on race pointing out some as victims and some as oppressors is exactly why the governor of Florida is stepping up to end this horrible type of policy.
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Where did you get off in a morality tangent? Did you even read the course sections? This isn’t based on that at all.
 
BirdinHand said:
Where did you get off in a morality tangent? Did you even read the course sections? This isn’t based on that at all.
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All of these classes, and all of this diversity and critical race theory stems on convincing some students that they are victims, and others are oppressors.

Teach history, no need to teach morality.
 
Super Chief said:
All of these classes, and all of this diversity and critical race theory stems on convincing some students that they are victims, and others are oppressors.

Teach history, no need to teach morality.
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So that’s a no, you didn’t bother to inform yourself of the topic.

Thanks for clarifying.
 
Super Chief said:
All of these classes, and all of this diversity and critical race theory stems on convincing some students that they are victims, and others are oppressors.

Teach history, no need to teach morality.
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What a steaming pile of garbage. You always hear this the most from the people who know the least about any of it. It's no mystery why that is.
 
Galactic Spin said:
What a steaming pile of garbage. You always hear this the most from the people who know the least about any of it. It's no mystery why that is.
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Just teach the history, there is enough in that to convince anyone that there were both heroes and victims in our long troubled history.

CRT is about indoctrination. It is just as offensive to me as when students were taught Indians were "savages" or that women were not suitable to vote.
White children should never be discriminated against in a public classroom. These children are not responsible for the past history, and I couldn't
give a damn if they benefited from it one way or the other. They are not the oppressors. If you want to dig the oppressors up and hang them, then go ahead.
 
Super Chief said:
Just teach the history, there is enough in that to convince anyone that there were both heroes and victims in our long troubled history.

CRT is about indoctrination. It is just as offensive to me as when students were taught Indians were "savages" or that women were not suitable to vote.
White children should never be discriminated against in a public classroom. These children are not responsible for the past history, and I couldn't
give a damn if they benefited from it one way or the other. The are not the oppressors. If you want to dig the oppressors up and hang them, then go ahead.
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This isn’t a CRT class. It is an AP African American history class.
 
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