You can ban handguns without violating the 2nd Amendment

[Tiny]

Already gave one link to turtle I need not do your work for you. You are the one making the claim that rules might be wrong . Therefor you prove they are. Find a link with some gun safety rules and prove they are wrong.

I don't need to prove anything because I never said they are definitely wrong. I said they could be wrong. There is a difference.

 

[soylentgreen]

I might not be able to see you physically but I can somewhat tell your mental state from the posts you make.

From the posts you are making I am wondering just how ignorant you are about guns and safety. But that is just an assumption on my part. And as I do not have a weak argument that makes me have resort to a fallacy like emotional pleading as you are doing, then I unlike you do not need to make such an assumption about you a part of my argument.

 

[Tiny]

From the posts you are making I am wondering just how ignorant you are about guns and safety.

You hurt my feelings.

 

[soylentgreen]

I don't need to prove anything because I never said they are definitely wrong. I said they could be wrong. There is a difference.

Sure there is, your statement is weak and hold no credibility. If you think they could be wrong then demonstrate how instead of relying on the word could as your excuse not to back what you said.

 

[soylentgreen]

You hurt my feelings.

Now you know how I feel when you make fallacious arguments about how I feel.

Still waiting for that link.

 

[Tiny]

Sure there is, your statement is weak and hold no credibility.

You sir have totally defeated me. I now walk away with the proverbial tail in between my legs.

 

[RF667799]

No sigh! It is not an opinion. It is not subjective. if it was then you should be able to find a link on gun safety that tells you leaving a loaded gun unattended and unsecured is a safe thing to do. But quite obviously you cannot because gun safety is not an opinion, they are rules.

Who has categorically argued that leaving a loaded gun unattended and unsecured "is a safe thing to do"? That is just the position you have arrived at with your back no doubt sore from the weight of those goalposts.

 

[RF667799]

Already gave one link to turtle I need not do your work for you. You are the one making the claim that rules might be wrong . Therefor you prove they are. Find a link with some gun safety rules and prove they are wrong.

A little more in depth than the simplistic bit from a company selling gun safes that you thought affirmed your point.

NOTE: You may decide to make compromises for storage if your handgun is used for self-defense. This is a judgment call on your part. However, there are “Quick Action” safes available on the market. If you are storing you handgun in your home, first educate your family on firearm safety (you can use this guide to help). Store your gun out of sight of young children. Finally, make sure your firearm is in a location where it’s not accessible to young children. NOTE: There are some gun owners that keep their handguns readily available, but they have a household where firearm ownership is taught to children as well. Once again, this is a judgment call on your part.

https://10xdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Guide+to+Firearms+Safety.pdf

 

[TurtleDude]

Because it amuses me to make you look foolish.

You have yet to do so, and I suspect most of the posters on this forum will see that the foolish posts are not mine

 

[Tiny]

You have yet to do so, and I suspect most of the posters on this forum will see that the foolish posts are not mine

Soylentgreen literally thinks that there is no difference between a home invader and someone who knocks on a door.

 

[Rich2018]

Can I ask why?

10,000 gun related homicides pa, plus about 80,000 gun related injuries pa

Which creates as a consequence, police forces who are shit scared paranoid and gun people down with a trigger happy attitude.

For me, the most stark demonstration of this repugnant attitude was in Richmond, Va in January last year when about 20,000 gun owners terrorized the city by parading arround with their guns (and many dressed in the military style fatigues we saw during the Jan 6th insurrection riot.

 

[TurtleDude]

10,000 gun related homicides pa, plus about 80,000 gun related injuries pa

Which creates as a consequence, police forces who are shit scared paranoid and gun people down with a trigger happy attitude.

For me, the most stark demonstration of this repugnant attitude was in Richmond, Va in January last year when about 20,000 gun owners terrorized the city by parading arround with their guns (and many dressed in the military style fatigues we saw during the Jan 6th insurrection riot.

most of those homicides are committed by people who are already banned from possessing firearms. so you want to rape or remove the second amendment and try to turn 100million people into criminals for 2000 homicides.

 

[Tiny]

For me, the most stark demonstration of this repugnant attitude was in Richmond, Va in January last year when about 20,000 gun owners terrorized the city by parading arround with their guns (and many dressed in the military style fatigues we saw during the Jan 6th insurrection riot.

What's so scary about that though? I know you are afraid of guns but still.

 

[Lursa]

Omg, this isn't even about gun safety anymore. It's a philosophical issue.

When you said, such and such is unsafe, that is an opinion. Do you know what an opinion is? If you do, you will know that it's subjective by nature, and therefore cannot be either proven, or shown to be false.

Exactly. My immediate concerns for safety are for me. And I keep my guns accessible or stored accordingly. What argument is there that I should forego my safety for some fantasied consequence-free conclusions on the part of others? Do they know the realities of the risks and circumstances I know? Will they pay for it if they are mistaken? No. So far, definitely none.

But it sure seems easier to pretend that women that are attacked in condos on golf courses live in "dangerous crime-ridden shitholes" and should be dismissed as 'uncommon' and denied their right to assess their own risks and prepare appropriately for them. I'm sure that makes those that do get victimized, like the woman in the story I'm referring to, feel so much better.

 

[soylentgreen]

Who has categorically argued that leaving a loaded gun unattended and unsecured "is a safe thing to do"? That is just the position you have arrived at with your back no doubt sore from the weight of those goalposts.

Lursa has argued as such. So go play with her if you have a problem.

Shall we inspect your cherry picking. Also from your link.

A handgun owner assumed his handgun was unloaded. While cleaning it, he accidently fired the handgun, causing injury to his significant other....…A friend of a handgun owner asked to see the owner’s new handgun. The friend did not ensure the handgun was unloaded. The friend shot himself in the foot…

So now your turn. Give support to the idea being given that leaving a loaded gun laying around is safe.

another.

Even an unloaded handgun can become a hazard if not stored properly (i.e. unloaded handgun next to available ammunition).

Again I ask what is the sensible way of leaving a loaded or even unloaded, gun laying about the house.

The first step to becoming a responsible gun owner is to develop a mindset of handling and storing your handgun safely. The second step is to build your knowledge of how your handgun works and how to store it safely.

So again, care to give a good reason to ignore these safety rules.

Ultimate Safety Rule #4: Store your gun safely and securely to prevent unauthorized use or access It is important to think about handgun safety even when the gun is not in your possession. Use approved handgun devices to prevent the gun from being fired. When not in use, store your gun unloaded in a locked container and have the ammunition separate. For maximum storage safety, use a locked storage container and locking device.

You cherry picked your bit and ignored everything else your link had to say.
So seeing as you are superior to normal people and do not need to use any safety rules please tell us how you achieved this superiority.

 

[RF667799]

Lursa has argued as such. So go play with her if you have a problem.

@Lursa seemingly doesn't agree, given that she liked that post of mine. However, I'm sure you can quote where she argued that leaving a loaded gun unsecured and unattended is categorically a safe thing to do?

 

[soylentgreen]

You have yet to do so, and I suspect most of the posters on this forum will see that the foolish posts are not mine

It is the best you can do is hide behind a fallacy of populum. Or whinge that they want to take your gun away.

 

[Tiny]

So now your turn. Give support to the idea being given that leaving a loaded gun laying around is safe.

Leaving a loaded gun laying around is only unsafe when it's not being handled properly.

 

[soylentgreen]

@Lursa seemingly doesn't agree, given that she liked that post of mine. However, I'm sure you can quote where she argued that leaving a loaded gun unsecured and unattended is categorically a safe thing to do?

Liking your post is not evidence that she has not argued that she thinks it is safe to leave a loaded gun unsecured. And no I have no wish to waste my time going over so many pages to find a quote. but try post 498.

 

[soylentgreen]

Leaving a loaded gun laying around is only unsafe when it's not being handled properly.

Hate to sound mean, but is english a second language to you or did you just not think that sentence through?
You do understand that if you are leaving a gun laying about then by definition you are not handling it.
And once again I need ask can you provide a link on gun safety that recommends leaving a gun loaded when not in use.

 

[Tiny]

Hate to sound mean, but is english a second language to you or did you just not think that sentence through?
You do understand that if you are leaving a gun laying about then by definition you are not handling it.
And once again I need ask can you provide a link on gun safety that recommends leaving a gun loaded when not in use.

I was chiefly thinking about the two examples you provided when you made that statement.

Anyway, it looks like its only unsafe because people thought the gun was unloaded. So how about if I suggest: make sure the gun is not loaded when you want to do things with it, like cleaning, handing it over to a spouse..etc etc. And leave it loaded only when you have clearly communicated to all parties that it's loaded. Would this satisfy you?

 

[soylentgreen]

I was chiefly thinking about the two examples you provided when you made that statement.

Anyway, it looks like its only unsafe because people thought the gun was unloaded. So how about if I suggest: make sure the gun is not loaded when you want to do things with it, like cleaning, handing it over to a spouse..etc etc. And leave it loaded only when you have clearly communicated to all parties that it's loaded. Would this satisfy you?

You do not have top satisfy me. You only need to come up with a sensible rebuttal.
And again I ask can you find me a link that might suggest leaving a loaded gun unattended is a good idea.

 

[Tiny]

You do not have top satisfy me. You only need to come up with a sensible rebuttal.

Uhm, I think I did.

Communicating to all parties that the gun is loaded....will eliminate pretty much all kinds of accidents that I can think. And this would mean leaving a loaded gun around is now safe. There. I have just rebutted you.

And again I ask can you find me a link that might suggest leaving a loaded gun unattended is a good idea.

I don't need to find a link to do that. It's self-evident: leaving a loaded gun unattended is good when there is a home intruder in my home and I want to quickly grab a weapon to repel him. Although I admit the "unattended" part might be debatable.

 

[RF667799]

Liking your post is not evidence that she has not argued that she thinks it is safe to leave a loaded gun unsecured. And no I have no wish to waste my time going over so many pages to find a quote. but try post 498.

Seems you could have just quoted her. Let's see why you didn't. And no, I don't accept that excuse that it would waste your time. You apparently found time to go back several pages looking for a post.
Here is her post 498:

And a loaded gun accessible to protect ME is safe. FOR ME. And that's all I care about. "in my home" *when I'm alone.* That's the key thing you cannot understand, believing all of us Americans live in a dangerous criminal infested shithole, we all have different risks and circumstances and we also have the personal liberty to choose how we'll deal with those things. Funny, people are fighting to get into our dangerous criminal infested shithole...must be your perspective.

She speaks of a gun accessible by her. An unattended gun (which is your claim as to her argument) doesn't seem to be accessible by her. I'm afraid that's a hard fail on your part. You shouldn't claim people argued such and such, if you can't show where they did in fact argue such and such. It makes it appear arguing against strawmen is what's mostly within your capabilities.

 

[RF667799]

You do not have top satisfy me. You only need to come up with a sensible rebuttal.
And again I ask can you find me a link that might suggest leaving a loaded gun unattended is a good idea.

Why should he do that, when you have been unable to show that anyone has actually argued such a thing? It looks like your arguments have been so completely demolished that you are now content with just inventing shit to attribute to others.