I'm not doubting you can. Many seem to. I was using it as an example to the OP regarding how there are many denominations of Christians, and that not all of them are as strict in their beliefs as say, the Roman Catholics are. If you are a strict Catholic, I don't see how you can hold Democratic views as well.
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.
There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?
I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.
I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/oh-god-donald-trump-doesn-142821578.htmlAt Thursday night's annual Christmas tree lighting at the White House, the president recounted the birth of Jesus by saying it "begins 2,000 years ago with a mother, a father, their baby son."
Their baby? Um, care to take a paternity test?
As all devout Christians believe, Jesus is not the son of Joseph, but of God. Yes, the future savior was born in Bethlehem during the time of Herod to Mary, the wife of Joseph. And, as Luke 2:1-20 tells us, Joseph was around when Jesus was born.
But he is not the father. He with a capital H is.
Some devout Christians were outraged, calling Trump a heretic for denying the virgin birth.
I'd think that depends on the issue. I do know practicing Catholics who are both for and against the death penalty, for example.
And in some cases I agree with you. In others I don't. Just my opinion and how I view it.
I don’t care one bit about Roy Moore or the people of Alabama. I fail to see how this has any relevance to the topic.
Most of the Catholics I know hate the current pope.
It's going to be hard to be a good Christian and a good Conservative/Republican that's what I mean.
I'm an outsider on both counts - I've never belonged to a political party or been truly involved in organized religion, so maybe this should be taken with a grain of salt:
I think you have it backwards. The "religious right" has become somewhat emblematic of Christianity in the USA. If you look at any type of media, that faction is dominant. They have been integrating themselves into the Republican party since at least 1980, demanding and getting planks in the Republican party platform hostile to gays and opposing abortion.
I moved to a pretty red area a couple of years ago. I used to listen to Christian and right wing talk shows a good bit when I was in the car. They rule a lot of the airwaves here. I was astonished when, last summer, one by one they started pumping Trump for president. Let's be real. Trump is no Christian. He can't even convincingly pay Christianity lip service:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/oh-god-donald-trump-doesn-142821578.html
The religious right just doesn't care. This is about power.
Here are a couple of quotes from fundamentalist Christian radio personalities. I don't have the names of the people who made these statements or links, but they sure stuck in my head:
"Sometimes God uses bad people to do good things."
"If you would vote for a Democrat, I'm sorry, but I would have to question your salvation."
It seems to me that at least this powerful, vocal subset of Christianity is openly hostile to Democrats, as well as gays and basically anyone who doesn't toe their lines.
I'd think that depends on the issue. I do know practicing Catholics who are both for and against the death penalty, for example.
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.
There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?
I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.
I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”
Maybe my position will give you some insight. The “Christian Right” has lost. Specifically the anti gay movement. It is a dead issue now. And I suppose there is abortion...but then it is settled law and you don’t have to be Christian to oppose it (girlfriend does not define herself as Christian and is a democrat and does oppose abortion in most cases...especially as a form of birth control).
So knowing that...I see that the “Christian right” should no longer be a concern to democrats who look down their nose at me for being a Christian (because it means I must be a bible thumpings and snake charming hate monger from the hills Appilachia
I don’t like making statements like this, but sadly I believe this is true now. And before we get into it...I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MORAL VIEWS OR ETHICS AND I’M NOT SAYING DEMOCRATS CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN.
There. Now that’s that is out of the way. I think there has been a shift in the Democrat Party. And I think it has come even within the past 10 years or so. And it kinda disturbs me. It disturbs me because the people who should care...don’t. They don’t even see it. In fact...they are so wrapped up in their politics that they don’t even recognize that they are doing it. And the reverse is not true in this case. You will not find this sentiment in the republican camp. So what am I saying specifically?
I think that modern democrats have so aligned themselves that many democrats do not believe they can reconcile their faith with their politics. To the point that it seems many democrats feel that being a Christian automatically means you can’t be a real democrat. It even means you are a republican and hold certain views that they find repugnant. And what has this lead to? An openly hostile atmosphere FROM the left against those who have faith. And now. It isn’t “all democrats,” but I feel more open hostility and discomfort if I’m in an open discussion and I mention I’m a Christian. You would think the party of “tolerance” would understand how wrong this is, but it seems to have gone over their head. Completely. You even have some who openly insult people just for having faith.
I personally think this has to do with the LGBT movement of course. That is a given. And many democrats failed to see that this divide...was even in churches. It didn’t just stop at the door. Personally? I’m ok with gay marriage. And gays. I don’t care. Doesn’t bother me. But because there was opposition and the right took up the stance and then the democrats hijacked the movement (once the objective was completed) and now we have the left attacking their enemy the “Christian right.” And it isn’t just about gay marriage now. Does anyone else feel the left has become openly hostile towards Christians (and to some extent Jews or other religions)? If not openly hostile...would you be willing to see more intolerant? That the Democrat Party has decided their views cannot coexist with a “good Christian” or a “good Jew” or a “good Muslim?”
Easy way to avoid the discussion. I guess you aren’t a Christian in a liberal town then. I could see why you would ha zero understanding on the topic. You might also be one of the democrats I mentioned too. :/
I don’t care one bit about Roy Moore or the people of Alabama. I fail to see how this has any relevance to the topic.
Then the question is, can you be a Democratic and disagree with some of their most pushed agendas? Such as abortion, gay rights, etc.
After reading thru the thread and some of the comments, my first thought is -- Just who is seen as a Christian by blackjack? There are some strains of the religion which claim that the only "true Christians" are those who believe in the manner prescribed by their church.
I disagree with those people. It isn’t up to me to say who is and isn’t Christian. I can have my opinion on if something is or is not Christian behavior (gay bashing is unchristian to me and preaching hate too). But I’m not the one who makes the call. Forgive me for getting Presbyterian on you. But it is only by the Grace of God that we are saved. Not Your or my actions that make us Christian or saved. So I don’t really have a view on who is and isn’t Christian. Not my circus. Not my monkey.
But my view in this particular thread being expressed is that there are democrats out there that seem to believe that being a liberal and being a Christian are mutually exclusive. And I don’t understand the mentality. :/
But my view in this particular thread being expressed is that there are democrats out there that seem to believe that being a liberal and being a Christian are mutually exclusive. And I don’t understand the mentality.
Go on and reconcile the Beatitudes with what the Republican party stands for. I dare you.
I do not see how a good Christian can support tax cuts for the rich. That is all Republican politicians really care about.
Jesus condemned rich people. The Epistle of St. James reads like a socialist tract. Old Testament prophets condemned rich Israelites for oppressing poor Israelites.
A good Christian worries about his own life and doesn't judge others, which is another reason why Democrats can't be good Christians, because Democrats are constantly fretting about other people's money, or religion, or cars, or...
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