You can’t ban human nature

[The Brad Dad]

What's the remedy for someone killing people with products of the Ford Motor Company? Sometimes you run across someone who will do something like that.

Please define "mass shootings" before we go further. They aren't all the same thing.

So you agree guns should be at least as regulated as cars. Good start.

 

[CLAX1911]

Someone in the thread already testified just anecdotally they’ve been able to sell and buy 100’s of guns in Illinois.

Yeah in the US you own your property which means you can sell it.

Thanks to sc rulings and virtually no gun control laws in red states, guns are everywhere and available to criminals pretty easily.

So gun laws only harm non criminals. So any government that makes them without a damn good reason is pro criminal.

What I’m saying isn’t even controversial it’s so accepted.

People accept lots of idiotic things

 

[poppopfox]

It's not just a hobby, it's also a means to defend oneself. Since you're so misinformed on the matter so as to not know that basic fact, you should stop arguing about it altogether.

If you can't defend yourself without a gun then perhaps you are not much of a man?

 

[CLAX1911]

Link

Hook

 

[Cosmo]

If you can't defend yourself without a gun then perhaps you are not much of a man?

Never said I couldn't. I can also chop a tree down with a stone axe, but I prefer a chainsaw because it's 2025.

 

[CLAX1911]

How do you change the culture.

You have to listen to them. Understand their concerns. You know how you behave in any threat you participate in? Yeah essentially you need to do the opposite of that.

You're not going to get anywhere being a arrogant little woke scold. So the best thing you can do is stop.

Do you think that no one ever tried to figure out why these things happen?

Not when they are trying to use it to set up totalitarianism no.

You use the worst language to try to describe my intentions.

Because your intentions are absolutely evil.

You think that I want all guns banned.

No I think you want to interfere with people's rights wedging the door open for people that want to have guns you're the worst kind of evil. You are creating the path for it. You don't even realize that you're a puppet.

You are being disagreeable because you hate the thought of gun regulations and restrictions.

Absolutely. restrictions on my rights are just about making me subservient the fact that you don't get that makes you the worst kind of evil.

It is easier to control who is allowed to have guns and what type of guns people are allowed to have than to change culture

You don't change the culture by force.

And you don't want to change the culture to make it better you want to change the culture for your masters.

 

[CLAX1911]

So you agree guns should be at least as regulated as cars. Good start.

Cars are not regulated in the slightest. You can buy 10,000 of them tomorrow and be 16 years old. Yeah I can leave them laying around in the yard and let people walk in amongst the yard and take them apart if they want.

I think you mean to say guns should be as regulated as the roadway which that doesn't make any sense. The roadway is an environment where if you enter it in a vehicle you are necessarily putting everyone at imminent risk.

The equivalent to this with a gun would be if I walked around pointing it at people's eye sockets. I don't know if you're aware of this but that's illegal. So they're already far more regulated than cars.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Cars are not regulated in the slightest.

You’re being semantical.

 

[The Brad Dad]

The roadway is an environment where if you enter it in a vehicle you are necessarily putting everyone at imminent risk.

You are literally stating that simply pulling a car into traffic puts others at risk yet walking into a piggy wiggly with a gun is only dangerous if they lift it and point it at you, but that’s already illegal which it’s too bad no one told the Walmart shooter in Texas he should have stopped at pointing.

 

[Cosmo]

You’re being semantical.

You can get a car with an automatic transmission that can go way faster than the highest speed limit as long as you have the money. At 16, you can even drive it on public roadways after getting a license pretty much everyone has (only met a few people ever who didn't have a driver license).

Let me know when it becomes equally easy to walk around on a public sidewalk open carrying a machine gun.

 

[bythoughts]

You put a dog in the back seat with a loaded rifle? Suicidal much?

But he told the dog in no uncertain terms to drive-by at the wife when he drove past.

 

[CLAX1911]

You’re being semantical.

Road ways are regulated cars are only regulated when used in the roadway.

There is a damn good reason for that.

I can explain it but you'll just cut it off and respond to part out of dishonesty.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Road ways are regulated cars are only regulated when used in the roadway.

There is a damn good reason for that.

I can explain it but you'll just cut it off and respond to part out of dishonesty.

That statement isn’T unknown nor controversial. And it doesn’t change the comp with guns. IT’s so funny how I’m told guns are over regulated but then the suggestion that they be regulated like cars NO NOT LIKE THAT lol

 

[RF667799]

Someone in the thread already testified just anecdotally they’ve been able to sell and buy 100’s of guns in Illinois. Thanks to sc rulings and virtually no gun control laws in red states, guns are everywhere and available to criminals pretty easily. What I’m saying isn’t even controversial it’s so accepted.

My guns were bought legally in a blue state. I'm not sure how you think my anecdote supports you.

 

[RF667799]

That statement isn’T unknown nor controversial. And it doesn’t change the comp with guns. IT’s so funny how I’m told guns are over regulated but then the suggestion that they be regulated like cars NO NOT LIKE THAT lol

No please. Let's regulate them like cars!



*Education coming*

 

[CLAX1911]

You are literally stating that simply pulling a car into traffic puts others at risk

Yes it absolutely does. It's a 4,000 lb piece of metal. That's why between 1899 and present day more American people have died in car accidents than in all wars combined. And it's not even close it's like three or four times more.

yet walking into a piggy wiggly with a gun is only dangerous if they lift it and point it at you, but that’s already illegal

Yes I've got a gun on me right now who's dying? I've had a gun on my person out and about for over 20 years who died?

which it’s too bad no one told the Walmart shooter in Texas he should have stopped at pointing.

Yes he should have. You know you can take a car and plow through a crowd of people people have done that before but you never talk about banning people from owning cars do you? So it isn't about the life loss it isn't about the danger it's about guns you don't like people having weapons.

 

[Citizen]

What problems? That people sometimes commit murder using guns? It's a rare problem, overshadowed by the useful benefits of guns.

Murder and other gun deaths is not a rare problem

 

[Citizen]

You have to listen to them. Understand their concerns. You know how you behave in any threat you participate in? Yeah essentially you need to do the opposite of that.

You're not going to get anywhere being a arrogant little woke scold. So the best thing you can do is stop.

Not when they are trying to use it to set up totalitarianism no.

Because your intentions are absolutely evil.

No I think you want to interfere with people's rights wedging the door open for people that want to have guns you're the worst kind of evil. You are creating the path for it. You don't even realize that you're a puppet.

Absolutely. restrictions on my rights are just about making me subservient the fact that you don't get that makes you the worst kind of evil.


You don't change the culture by force.

And you don't want to change the culture to make it better you want to change the culture for your masters.

You live in a world of fantasy if you think you can stop an angry man with a gun or a lunatic with a gun not to use it. It is getting w, not better. But as long as you can have as many as you want and any type that you want, it really doesn’t matter to you. I know you can’t wait to find a reason to use them

 

[CLAX1911]

That statement isn’T unknown nor controversial.

So the regulation on cars has more to do with the environment in which you use them. You're so complacent with this everyday task you do that you don't even realize how dangerous it is

You are complacent and that's why it's dangerous.

So the next time you're driving somewhere and someone cuts you off and it pisses you off and you get a little road rage remember people die doing this everyday just on an ordinary drive to work.

This is the most dangerous thing you do I don't care if you're test pilot this is more dangerous driving your car in traffic.

And it doesn’t change the comp with guns.

There's no comparison and I'll make it obvious to you.

How many mass murderers have you personally witnessed? I bet it's zero. And I'm willing to bet you maybe witnessed at least half a dozen car accidents so much.

There is absolutely no comparison the only way you can make a comparison here is a place where everyone is using their gun at the same time like public hunting lands and believe it or not you have to get a license to do that you have to pass hunter safety at least in my state probably in most States.

IT’s so funny how I’m told guns are over regulated but then the suggestion that they be regulated like cars NO NOT LIKE THAT lol

Cars are not regulated at all I know someone who bought a thousand of them in one day. He didn't have to show his id he didn't have to have a driver's license nothing.

I just think you have no clue what you're talking about this is why you people never get anywhere speak confidently from profound ignorance.

 

[CLAX1911]

Murder and other gun deaths is not a rare problem

There are no gun deaths.

 

[The Brad Dad]

So the regulation on cars has more to do with the environment in which you use them. You're so complacent with this everyday task you do that you don't even realize how dangerous it is

You are complacent and that's why it's dangerous.

So the next time you're driving somewhere and someone cuts you off and it pisses you off and you get a little road rage remember people die doing this everyday just on an ordinary drive to work.

This is the most dangerous thing you do I don't care if you're test pilot this is more dangerous driving your car in traffic.


There's no comparison and I'll make it obvious to you.

How many mass murderers have you personally witnessed? I bet it's zero. And I'm willing to bet you maybe witnessed at least half a dozen car accidents so much.

There is absolutely no comparison the only way you can make a comparison here is a place where everyone is using their gun at the same time like public hunting lands and believe it or not you have to get a license to do that you have to pass hunter safety at least in my state probably in most States.

Cars are not regulated at all I know someone who bought a thousand of them in one day. He didn't have to show his id he didn't have to have a driver's license nothing.

I just think you have no clue what you're talking about this is why you people never get anywhere speak confidently from profound ignorance.

Your comp for a car accident is mass murder and you think you just explained to me why cars are more dangerous. ROFLMAO

 

[Citizen]

There are no gun deaths.

Death by gun is a gun death

 

[rahl]

where there are more guns, there are more firearm suicides, but not more suicides from other methods.

That is what the data shows but of course you could care less.

Firearms are irrelevant to suicide rates. Japan has no private ownership of firearms but a higher suicide rate than the US.

 

[The Brad Dad]

There are no gun deaths.

Firearms are irrelevant to suicide rates. Japan has no private ownership of firearms but a higher suicide rate than the US.

“Sandy Hook was a hoax”. Same energy.

 

[rahl]

No it isn’t.

Yes it is.

Virtually all data shows guns do not make you safer while easy access to them puts us all in more danger.

lol, no. 1.7 million defensive gun uses vs 13,000 or so murders with firearms.