You can’t ban human nature

[JMB1911A1]

Then if guns aren't there to make someone feel safer, what is the point of dropping hundreds of not thousands of dollars into something like that?

Appreciation of the beauty of a fine mechanical object.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Appreciation of the beauty of a fine mechanical object.

That you don't know how to properly take care of? Tell me, do you think it's human nature to want to put one to your head and appreciate the beauty of a fine mechanical object by pulling the trigger?

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Hunting hobby shooting self defence. That's what I bought mine for

Even though you're more likely to use it to hurt yourself than for self defense?

 

[CLAX1911]

And again, all you can do is deny.

Claims and nothing more

I would have no problem with people having guns. The problem is that the right wing believe it to be their right to kill.

BS

And you miss the point again.

What point

I did not say lethal force is ok.

so somebody can just kill you and as long as you can't stop them they have every right to do it?

am saying that lethal froce should never be considered to be a part of reasonable force as it is in america.

Dumb.

How would you know when your complaint is that I have to repeat it to you because you either cannot remember it or have never seen it.

You can't repeat what you didn't state.

Of course I have facts for this.

You insist Americans believe they have the right to kill.

You're wrong. That's not a fact.

I have given those facts and all you do is pretend that you have either forgotten them or have not sen them.

No you insisted you're beliefs(which you cannot support) are facts.

I am not telling you what people believe i am giving facts about what people do under a false belief system of a right to kill.

Prove it.

You did not ask me to prove my claim.

Prove it

Youi made up a claim that I have not made and I had to correct you once again.

Prove it

Already have and all you is dismiss.

Prove it

No, what is require4d is that you come up with logical refutes to my argument instead of just dismissing it or misrepresenting it. Which is all you have ever done.

We know our beliefs better than you ever could.

It's like you're talking to an astronaut telling him space doesn't exist.

Your argument is a failure. It's self-refuting.

 

[CLAX1911]

Even though you're more likely to use it to hurt yourself than for self defense?

No. I'm more likely to grow wings and a tail than I am to use it in myself.

 

[CLAX1911]

That you don't know how to properly take care of?

Yeah it's very simple. Clean after shooting, keep lightly oiled

Tell me, do you think it's human nature to want to put one to your head and appreciate the beauty of a fine mechanical object by pulling the trigger?

No. I don't think that's human nature you're in nature is too survive.

 

[JMB1911A1]

That you don't know how to properly take care of? Tell me, do you think it's human nature to want to put one to your head and appreciate the beauty of a fine mechanical object by pulling the trigger?

Now you are bringing suicide into the conversation. Are your goalposts motorized as well as being on wheels?

Your post is disgusting btw.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Now you are bringing suicide into the conversation. Are your goalposts motorized as well as being on wheels?

Your post is disgusting btw.

The thread title is "You can't ban human nature". The OP is about how we can't stop people from owning firearms because it's in human nature. Specifically by pointing out how banning alcohol is analogous to buying guns. So by that logic, there's nothing we can do to stop people from using guns to kill themselves.

I'm bringing up suicide, specifically how kids kill themselves because it's now the number one killer of kids in the US.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

No. I'm more likely to grow wings and a tail than I am to use it in myself.

Yeah it's very simple. Clean after shooting, keep lightly oiled

No. I don't think that's human nature you're in nature is too survive.

The stats don't lie, you're more likely to kill yourself with a firearm than you are to use one for home security.

 

[JMB1911A1]

The thread title is "You can't ban human nature". The OP is about how we can't stop people from owning firearms because it's in human nature. Specifically by pointing out how banning alcohol is analogous to buying guns. So by that logic, there's nothing we can do to stop people from using guns to kill themselves.

I'm bringing up suicide, specifically how kids kill themselves because it's now the number one killer of kids in the US.

Not this stupid lie again. Why does your anti-civil right side always have to lie?

Firearms are not the number one killer of children in the US. And the majority of firearms deaths of the 14-17 year old crowd is caused by criminal activity.

 

[JMB1911A1]

The stats don't lie, you're more likely to kill yourself with a firearm than you are to use one for home security.

Another lie. Firearms used by over 1.7 millions times a year for defensive use compared to ~25k suicides.

 

[Deuce]

"No way to prevent this," says only nation where this regularly happens.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

Not this stupid lie again. Why does your anti-civil right side always have to lie?

Firearms are not the number one killer of children in the US. And the majority of firearms deaths of the 14-17 year old crowd is caused by criminal activity.

Not me having to point out you don't like the statistic again.
"

Gun violence is now the leading cause of early death for children and teens 18 and younger"​

"The gun safety nonprofit Everytown released a study in 2022 measuring the strength of gun regulations by state and comparing it to how many people were killed by firearms. The findings were striking: States with more restrictions had fewer deaths. It ranks California, Illinois, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Hawai'i, New Jersey, and Maryland high for gun restrictions."

How gun violence deaths in children have risen in the US | Northwell Health

Northwell and Stacker take a look at trends and legislation influencing the public health crisis, including the history behind the rise in gun purchases and its consequences.

www.northwell.edu

And is that the argument you really want to make? It's just human nature to want to shoot each other with guns so there's nothing you can do about it?

 

[JMB1911A1]

Not me having to point out you don't like the statistic again.
"

Gun violence is now the leading cause of early death for children and teens 18 and younger"​

"The gun safety nonprofit Everytown released a study in 2022 measuring the strength of gun regulations by state and comparing it to how many people were killed by firearms. The findings were striking: States with more restrictions had fewer deaths. It ranks California, Illinois, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Hawai'i, New Jersey, and Maryland high for gun restrictions."

How gun violence deaths in children have risen in the US | Northwell Health

Northwell and Stacker take a look at trends and legislation influencing the public health crisis, including the history behind the rise in gun purchases and its consequences.

www.northwell.edu

And is that the argument you really want to make? It's just human nature to want to shoot each other with guns so there's nothing you can do about it?

18 year olds are not children. They are legal adults. Why are you reposting these lies?

Oh, and Everytown is NOT a “gun safety” group. They have never offered one gun safety course. They are an anti-civil right gun control organization wholly funded by the authoritarian Michael Bloomberg.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

18 year olds are not children. They are legal adults. Why are you reposting these lies?

Are there 18 years old in high school? Listen you can say that 18 year olds are adults all you want, but if I had a kid who was 18 but in high school, they still have to go to me to get a permission slip. That's a kid.

Oh, and Everytown is NOT a “gun safety” group. They have never offered one gun safety course. They are an anti-civil right gun control organization wholly funded by the authoritarian Michael Bloomberg.

Aren't you a gun instructor who doesn't know how to properly store his firearms? I'll take your criticism with a grain of salt.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Are there 18 years old in high school? Listen you can say that 18 year olds are adults all you want, but if I had a kid who was 18 but in high school, they still have to go to me to get a permission slip. That's a kid.

Not legally. If they commit a crime at the age of 18, they don’t go to juvenile court just because they are in high school.

Your criteria for who and who is not a kid is based on emotion, not law.

Aren't you a gun instructor who doesn't know how to properly store his firearms? I'll take your criticism with a grain of salt.

100% of my firearms are stored properly. They may not be stored in accordance with some made up criteria from an anti-gun organization that knows nothing about firearms.

Let me ask you something. Are all cleaning supplies, possible poisons, and medicine stored in your house in locked cabinets? If not, why not? Don’t you know how to properly store dangerous items to prevent unintentional access?

 

[RF667799]

Not legally. If they commit a crime at the age of 18, they don’t go to juvenile court just because they are in high school.

Your criteria for who and who is not a kid is based on emotion, not law.

100% of my firearms are stored properly. They may not be stored in accordance with some made up criteria from an anti-gun organization that knows nothing about firearms.

Let me ask you something. Are all cleaning supplies, possible poisons, and medicine stored in your house in locked cabinets? If not, why not? Don’t you know how to properly store dangerous items to prevent unintentional access?

Not only that, but prescription meds should be divided into less than lethal dose quantities, and those locked up separately from each other.

 

[RF667799]

Are there 18 years old in high school? Listen you can say that 18 year olds are adults all you want,

That's charitable of you considering that it's a fact that 18 year olds are adults.

but if I had a kid who was 18 but in high school, they still have to go to me to get a permission slip. That's a kid.

That's your private definition.

Aren't you a gun instructor who doesn't know how to properly store his firearms? I'll take your criticism with a grain of salt.

 

[CLAX1911]

The stats don't lie,

Yeah what are the statistics of gun owners committing suicide less than one percent

you're more likely to kill yourself with a firearm than you are to use one for home security.

Nope.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not me having to point out you don't like the statistic again.
"

Gun violence is now the leading cause of early death for children and teens 18 and younger"​

Yeah most people joining hangs and getting into street violence are people under the age of 18.

That's a crime problem more than a gun issue

"The gun safety nonprofit Everytown released a study in 2022 measuring the strength of gun regulations by state and comparing it to how many people were killed by firearms.

Every town is a propaganda organization desperately trying to convince people that guns are dangerous to own. Everyone that owns one knows better

The findings were striking: States with more restrictions had fewer deaths. It ranks California, Illinois, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Hawai'i, New Jersey, and Maryland high for gun restrictions."

How gun violence deaths in children have risen in the US | Northwell Health

Northwell and Stacker take a look at trends and legislation influencing the public health crisis, including the history behind the rise in gun purchases and its consequences.

www.northwell.edu

And is that the argument you really want to make? It's just human nature to want to shoot each other with guns so there's nothing you can do about it?

No there's something you can do. Shoot back.