You are doing it again conservatives.

[clownboy]

Aren't we already dancing on the line?

Oh yeah. Was thinking the same.

 

[Mycroft]

Plenty and you know it. They block everything the president tries and then have the nerve to say he has not done anything.

With good reason, James. The stuff Obama wants to do is akin to Obamacare...screwed up ****. They are right to block him and lessen the damage he can do.

When he does try to do something within his power the GOP sues him.

To be accurate, James, nobody has sued Obama yet...not that you have ever cared about accuracy. In any case, the GOP don't want to sue Obama for trying to do something...they want to sue him for doing something against the law.

They try to blame every bad thing that happens overseas on him yet bad crap happens when the GOP is in office. Last time I remember 9-11 happened when the war hawks where in power.

I know this may irk the hell out of you, James, but Obama is the guy in Office now...not the GOP. Of COURSE, he's going to get blamed for the bad **** that he is letting happen overseas.


Anyway, James, you have a history on this forum of tossing your partisan crap against the wall...leaving the thread alone for a week or so...and then coming back to see what happened. I predict this thread is worth at least 50 pages for you.

 

[Hard Truth]

Liberalism always wins in the end. That is a fact. You can jump ship and call yourself a independent all you want but as long as conservatives continue to hate on the poor while trying to act like working class hero's the left is going to win.

Conservatives sometimes win. Their biggest success lasted over a thousand years and is known as the dark ages.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Shhhhh.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.-Napoleon Bonaparte

No need for us to interrupt them, even the moderate Republicans are asking for immigration reform...

 

[Reformedfindlay]

The Republicans are certainly not pure as the driven snow, and any of us who look at things objectively know a lot of what they got wrong over the decades. We have never elected a perfect person who is without sin or error either to Congress or to the White House. And I'm going to guess that since no such person exists, we never will.

But one thing Republicans have more often gotten right, and have been demonized for it, is that they are far less likely to cater to the special interests than are the Democrats. That does not mean they have never done so. They are just less likely to do so. They tend to treat minorities, women, gays, etc. like PEOPLE and not like victims or helpless, weak folks who can't make it without big government's help.

For instance, Democrats seem to have such a poor opinion of what women are capable of doing without government help and intervention, I, as a woman, would be embarrassed to identify myself with that party. I rather prefer being treated just the same as any other person and Republicans, by and large, treat me that way.

It's too bad that Republicans do such a poor job of explaining that and do it so badly that they are drowned out by the opportunistic opponents who accuse them of all manner of absurd things.

"Treat minorities like PEOPLE and not..."

*Looks at Herman Cain's border joke*

""It's going to be 20 feet high," Cain said. "It's going to have barbed wire on the top. It's going to be electrified. And there's going to be a sign on the other side saying, 'It will kill you -- Warning.'"

Uh huh... like people.

I would like to disagree with you, what I like with the Republicans is their take on fiscal issues (what they preach even though they don't necessarily practice it...).

I've met many a man who has identified himself as "social liberal, FISCAL conservative"

 

[clownboy]

No need for us to interrupt them, even the moderate Republicans are asking for immigration reform...

Yeah, but the reform they want isn't what the current reframe of the words immigration reform implies to the open borders set.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

With good reason, James. The stuff Obama wants to do is akin to Obamacare...screwed up ****. They are right to block him and lessen the damage he can do.



To be accurate, James, nobody has sued Obama yet...not that you have ever cared about accuracy. In any case, the GOP don't want to sue Obama for trying to do something...they want to sue him for doing something against the law.



I know this may irk the hell out of you, James, but Obama is the guy in Office now...not the GOP. Of COURSE, he's going to get blamed for the bad **** that he is letting happen overseas.


Anyway, James, you have a history on this forum of tossing your partisan crap against the wall...leaving the thread alone for a week or so...and then coming back to see what happened. I predict this thread is worth at least 50 pages for you.

Bull****, the Republicans are unwilling to compromise, even if the deal involves them getting 75% of what they want and democrats getting 25% of what they want.

They have this idiotic "my way or the highway" attitude that's putting D.C. in a terrible gridlock.

With good reason my ****ing ASS. Negotiating is about compromise, not gridlock.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Yeah, but the reform they want isn't what the current reframe of the words immigration reform implies to the open borders set.

Refer to my compromise quote above.

 

[clownboy]

Bull****, the Republicans are unwilling to compromise, even if the deal involves them getting 75% of what they want and democrats getting 25% of what they want.

They have this idiotic "my way or the highway" attitude that's putting D.C. in a terrible gridlock.

With good reason my ****ing ASS. Negotiating is about compromise, not gridlock.

No, unfortunately they ARE willing to compromise, but the people they represent and are in charge of their re-election, aren't. That's what's not getting through. No matter how much you all dither about, if it includes ANY sort of amnesty, it's a no go.

 

[Perotista]

Bull****, the Republicans are unwilling to compromise, even if the deal involves them getting 75% of what they want and democrats getting 25% of what they want.

They have this idiotic "my way or the highway" attitude that's putting D.C. in a terrible gridlock.

With good reason my ****ing ASS. Negotiating is about compromise, not gridlock.

Actually it is both parties with my way or the highway attitude. Over 200 passed republican house bills are just sitting in Senator Reids top right hand drawer. It is called tabling. Then McConnell filibusters everything the Democrats try to pass in the senate. Neither Reid or McConnell in my opinion give a darn about the country, only their party.

And here is what Reid does:

Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

 

[Jack Hays]

No, unfortunately they ARE willing to compromise, but the people they represent and are in charge of their re-election, aren't. That's what's not getting through. No matter how much you all dither about, if it includes ANY sort of amnesty, it's a no go.

You're right. Amnesty is a silly half measure. Open borders are the answer.eace

 

[clownboy]

You're right. Amnesty is a silly half measure. Open borders are the answer.eace

:lamo

 

[Jack Hays]

:lamo

As you wish. It's the stabilizing solution, both conservative and libertarian. And the greatest period of US economic growth and expansion was during the era of free immigration.eace

 

[clownboy]

As you wish. It's the stabilizing solution, both conservative and libertarian. And the greatest period of US economic growth and expansion was during the era of free immigration.eace

No it's not. And really, you're serious? First name ANY country on Earth that has open borders.

 

[Jack Hays]

No it's not. And really, you're serious? First name ANY country on Earth that has open borders.

By open borders I mean free immigration/emigration. An example of that would be the United States until the 1920's. We would still have customs enforcement.

 

[clownboy]

By open borders I mean free immigration/emigration. An example of that would be the United States until the 1920's. We would still have customs enforcement.

Once again, name a country on Earth that has such a beast,

 

[Jack Hays]

Once again, name a country on Earth that has such a beast,

The EU countries come close, but no one has the fully open borders I envision. Don't forget, we're the exceptional country; we're not supposed to be like others.

 

[AlbqOwl]

"Treat minorities like PEOPLE and not..."

*Looks at Herman Cain's border joke*

""It's going to be 20 feet high," Cain said. "It's going to have barbed wire on the top. It's going to be electrified. And there's going to be a sign on the other side saying, 'It will kill you -- Warning.'"

Uh huh... like people.

I would like to disagree with you, what I like with the Republicans is their take on fiscal issues (what they preach even though they don't necessarily practice it...).

I've met many a man who has identified himself as "social liberal, FISCAL conservative"

How I or anybody else identifies themselves is pretty irrelevant, however. So what do you have against Herman Cain's proposal, assuming you characterized it accurately, unless you LIKE illegals from God knows where pouring over the border? What is wrong with making it very unattractive for illegals to attempt to cross the border without proper permissions? Are guns or imprisonment or herding people like cattle into detention centers more humane? Or shall we just give up and allow the country to be overrun by any who want to be here for whatever reason no matter what the cost to the rest of us, including legal immigrants?

 

[clownboy]

The EU countries come close, but no one has the fully open borders I envision. Don't forget, we're the exceptional country; we're not supposed to be like others.

Not even close. The EU countries don't have anywhere close to open immigration. The free movement is ONLY between member states. Just like the US.

And in what world is that last true or even desirable?

Still a fail on the question. If it's so economically viable, why isn't there at least one surviving example on the entire planet?

 

[Jack Hays]

Not even close. The EU countries don't have anywhere close to open immigration. The free movement is ONLY between member states. Just like the US.

And in what world is that last true or even desirable?

Still a fail on the question. If it's so economically viable, why isn't there at least one surviving example on the entire planet?

I'm not saying it's right for every country, but it's right for the US. Our greatest era of growth and expansion coincided with free immigration.eace

 

[Mycroft]

Bull****, the Republicans are unwilling to compromise, even if the deal involves them getting 75% of what they want and democrats getting 25% of what they want.

They have this idiotic "my way or the highway" attitude that's putting D.C. in a terrible gridlock.

With good reason my ****ing ASS. Negotiating is about compromise, not gridlock.

Not a whole lot of compromising went on with Obamacare...except for the deals the Democrats made with OTHER Democrats, so I'm thinking you are pointing the finger at the wrong group when you talk about gridlock. Heck, just ask Dingy Harry about that stuff.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

How I or anybody else identifies themselves is pretty irrelevant, however. So what do you have against Herman Cain's proposal, assuming you characterized it accurately, unless you LIKE illegals from God knows where pouring over the border? What is wrong with making it very unattractive for illegals to attempt to cross the border without proper permissions? Are guns or imprisonment or herding people like cattle into detention centers more humane? Or shall we just give up and allow the country to be overrun by any who want to be here for whatever reason no matter what the cost to the rest of us, including legal immigrants?

There's nothing wrong with wanting illegals dealt with, I for one advocate immigration reform but at the same time for the time being that all illegals be deported.

But then it's another thing to make a joke about frying illegals to death with an electric fence with barbed wire on it...

I still think the most attractive thing about the Republican party is the whole fiscal conservativeness. Anything else about them I almost always terribly disagree with.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Not a whole lot of compromising went on with Obamacare...except for the deals the Democrats made with OTHER Democrats, so I'm thinking you are pointing the finger at the wrong group when you talk about gridlock. Heck, just ask Dingy Harry about that stuff.

As someone else showed both parties may be responsible for the gridlock, so I'll relent some.

 

[AlbqOwl]

There's nothing wrong with wanting illegals dealt with, I for one advocate immigration reform but at the same time for the time being that all illegals be deported.

But then it's another thing to make a joke about frying illegals to death with an electric fence with barbed wire on it...

I still think the most attractive thing about the Republican party is the whole fiscal conservativeness. Anything else about them I almost always terribly disagree with.

But you see I didn't see it as a joke about frying illegals to death because I take people at what they mean and not what I want them to mean because they are eeeeeevil conservatives or Republicans or both.

 

[Mycroft]

As someone else showed both parties may be responsible for the gridlock, so I'll relent some.

As will I.

And, the both of us relenting is much more than what we will ever get out of James. HaHa.