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Yes, I believe in the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION!

Yasureoktoo said:
Sounds like a "Snipe" hunt.
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That's right. I never found one, so the name didn't sink in as something worth remembering. That and 55 yrs to forget. Thanks for the correction.
 
bluesmoke said:
That's right. I never found one, so the name didn't sink in as something worth remembering. That and 55 yrs to forget. Thanks for the correction.
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Well, did you have a lit candle in front of your bag.
 
How to hunt Snarks:

“They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care;
They pursued it with forks and hope;
They threatened its life with a railway-share;
They charmed it with smiles and soap.”


by Lewis Carroll :)
 
Rumpel said:
No - the "original sin" is something different altother.
But being no theologian I feel unable to explain the idiotic concept of the "original sin".
In German it is the "Erbsünde" - and even as a Catholic child I declared that "Erbsünde" an unfair and idiotic nonsense.
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Have you also written your own version of the bible? When I attended catholic school they beat original sin into you if you weren't born with it.
 
bluesmoke said:
With a ruler, as I recall. Those nuns could be vicious.
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Ruler, pointer, whatever was handy. With that said, the catholic education I received from grade one to the eighth grade was excellent. I had more subjects in grade school that high schoolers have today.
 
Original sin posits that there was some perfect super people who existed in the far far distant past until a certain fruit was eaten. (Sounds like a certain ubermenschen claim) Utter hogwash
 
What fundies like to do is skip steps in their premises. The kalam cosmological argument is a great example of skipping steps. They jump from a very vague and general point which they dont have much evidence for to begin with then make a mad dash towards their preferred conclusion. Its how you can tell someone has a pre supposed conclusion.
 
grip said:
I've never understood the purpose of the immaculate conception = born without sin (lust)?
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It stems from a theological problem that seeks to answer how Jesus could have been sinless, i.e. not possess original sin, having been born of a human mother. Instead of solving it, they just shifted the problem from Jesus to Mary and called it a miracle that Mary was conceived without original sin.
 
bongsaway said:
Ruler, pointer, whatever was handy. With that said, the catholic education I received from grade one to the eighth grade was excellent. I had more subjects in grade school that high schoolers have today.
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I didn't attend a catholic school. I did take catechism, though didn't quite complete. It felt hypocritical, so totally wrong, to accept a deal I couldn't buy into.
 
bluesmoke said:
I didn't attend a catholic school. I did take catechism, though didn't quite complete. It felt hypocritical, so totally wrong, to accept a deal I couldn't buy into.
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I had the whole treatment and as I got older by around the fifth grade I couldn't swallow the fantasy any longer so I questioned everything and ended up flunking religion. Boo hoo.
 
Napoleon said:
It stems from a theological problem that seeks to answer how Jesus could have been sinless, i.e. not possess original sin, having been born of a human mother. Instead of solving it, they just shifted the problem from Jesus to Mary and called it a miracle that Mary was conceived without original sin.
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Clever, isn't it!
But it was a bit too clever, so that most people misunderstood the whole thing and thought it would mean: "No sex - please!".
Which is beside the point.
Joachim and Anna were free to enjoy any sex they wanted - and still did not pass on that mysterious "original sin" onto Mary.
 
bongsaway said:
I had the whole treatment and as I got older by around the fifth grade I couldn't swallow the fantasy any longer so I questioned everything and ended up flunking religion. Boo hoo.
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My mom was very religious, personally, but never outwards. Dad, no way. My now ex wife was and is spiritual, no way a god-hugger or religious. I'm agnostic, but only because of the science. Still, we raised our son as he wished, so he did both go to a Lutheran school, public school, then a Catholic (private) school and grad from a public HS. We had no problem with him being baptized Lutheran, as he wished, when he was maybe 8 yrs old because his best friend, to this day, at the same school was Lutheran. A couple yrs later he was actually reading the Bible and I asked him what he thought. He said the verse he read made no sense, nor could I make sense of it, so he hasn't been convinced since. Oh well.
 
bluesmoke said:
My mom was very religious, personally, but never outwards. Dad, no way. My now ex wife was and is spiritual, no way a god-hugger or religious. I'm agnostic, but only because of the science. Still, we raised our son as he wished, so he did both go to a Lutheran school, public school, then a Catholic (private) school and grad from a public HS. We had no problem with him being baptized Lutheran, as he wished, when he was maybe 8 yrs old because his best friend, to this day, at the same school was Lutheran. A couple yrs later he was actually reading the Bible and I asked him what he thought. He said the verse he read made no sense, nor could I make sense of it, so he hasn't been convinced since. Oh well.
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My mother became a nun in her later years.
 
bomberfox said:
What fundies like to do is skip steps in their premises. The kalam cosmological argument is a great example of skipping steps. They jump from a very vague and general point which they dont have much evidence for to begin with then make a mad dash towards their preferred conclusion. Its how you can tell someone has a pre supposed conclusion.
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I find it quite amusing that the god is always exempt from the syllogism.
 
bluesmoke said:
With a ruler, as I recall. Those nuns could be vicious.
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Although they were formidable, I never experienced unkindness, much less viciousness. Neither did my little sisters, not even the "12-year girl."
 
I hope that it has now become clear that the idea of the "immaculate conception" has got nothing to do with the idea of the virgin birth.
 
Rumpel said:
I hope that it has now become clear that the idea of the "immaculate conception" has got nothing to do with the idea of the virgin birth.
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After the question of what does “original sin”mean, the natural followup question is what’s a human supposed to do about it?
 
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