Yes, hospitals do lie in reporting

[Crakhobarbie]

The whole world is one big conspiracy mate...powerful people trying to extend their power...didn’t you realise?

I love it. Your "everything is a conspiracy" theory. Stacks a conspiracy theory on top of a conspiracy theory. Well done!!

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Look let’s not confuse ourselves...there has been no major spike in the death rate in the U.K....that means that Covid isn’t killing as many people as the government are saying. Why when it comes to bad news are leftists keen to believe governments...strange.

No Spike,

Please follow along carefully. I'll type slowly AND USE BIG LETTERS TO HELP YOU OUT.

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll ...

If that isn't good enough, then possibly you should do some more research HERE (where your prior research appears to originate).

 

[Big Eye]

Please follow along carefully. I'll type slowly AND USE BIG LETTERS TO HELP YOU OUT.

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll do that again

IF THERE ARE 10,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 100 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 1";

AND IF THERE ARE 9,000 ANNUAL DEATHS OF WHICH 8,900 ARE FROM "CAUSE A" DURING "YEAR 2";

THEN THERE IS NO "SPIKE" IN ANNUAL DEATHS

BUT THERE IS A "SPIKE" IN DEATHS FROM "CAUSE A".​

To help you out, I'll ...

If that isn't good enough, then possibly you should do some more research HERE (where your prior research appears to originate).

Lol, I have stated that there are Covid deaths which ( obviously) did not exist the years before 2020...so ****ing obviously there will be a spike in Covid deaths because even one death would be a spike.. but my point, which seems to fly right over your head, is that excess deaths are no greater than a bad influenza year because many Covid deaths are simply being assigned to people that are already dying ( 90% of Covid victims have serious underlying conditions).

This must be the first serious pandemic in human history that has not caused a spike in the overall mortality rate...but the costs to the economy and those missing vital screening, tests and operations is astronomical...but obviously acceptable to you.

There will be a cancer/heart disease death spike in the following years no doubt.

 

[snakestretcher]

Lol, I have stated that there are Covid deaths which ( obviously) did not exist the years before 2020...so ****ing obviously there will be a spike in Covid deaths because even one death would be a spike.. but my point, which seems to fly right over your head, is that excess deaths are no greater than a bad influenza year because many Covid deaths are simply being assigned to people that are already dying ( 90% of Covid victims have serious underlying conditions).

This must be the first serious pandemic in human history that has not caused a spike in the overall mortality rate...but the costs to the economy and those missing vital screening, tests and operations is astronomical...but obviously acceptable to you.

There will be a cancer/heart disease death spike in the following years no doubt.

Yes, because people needing cancer and heart disease treatment stayed away from hospitals filled with Covid patients because they were extremely vulnerable to infection with their compromised immune systems-especially chemo patients. But it's all a conspiracy, right? The forum is right over there>

 

[Big Eye]

Yes, because people needing cancer and heart disease treatment stayed away from hospitals filled with Covid patients because they were extremely vulnerable to infection with their compromised immune systems-especially chemo patients. But it's all a conspiracy, right? The forum is right over there>

Which begs the question why weren’t Covid cases sent to hospitals ( like the nightingales, or smaller ones like St James’s in Portsmouth) that were specifically set up for the purpose? Why is it acceptable to allow people to miss treatments for other, more serious, diseases?

Your conspiracy angle is pathetic, it’s clear the numbers are being pumped ...but you can carry on shitting yourself...normal people can see the risk to those of good health is minimal. It’s also pretty obvious that most of those who love this lockdown are of the political left...middle ranking public sector workers and the like...those for whom this lockdown has been an extended holiday on full pay at the expense of the workers. This lockdown has worked out very well for a percentage of the population.

 

[snakestretcher]

Which begs the question why weren’t Covid cases sent to hospitals ( like the nightingales, or smaller ones like St James’s in Portsmouth) that were specifically set up for the purpose? Why is it acceptable to allow people to miss treatments for other, more serious, diseases?

Your conspiracy angle is pathetic, it’s clear the numbers are being pumped ...but you can carry on shitting yourself...normal people can see the risk to those of good health is minimal. It’s also pretty obvious that most of those who love this lockdown are of the political left...middle ranking public sector workers and the like...those for whom this lockdown has been an extended holiday on full pay at the expense of the workers. This lockdown has worked out very well for a percentage of the population.

Find a nice comfy conspiracy forum with your pal 'Monica'. This forum is for adults.

 

[Big Eye]

Another strange feature of the lockdown in the U.K. is that the lowest earners , those that do the dirty low paid but very necessary jobs ,like shop workers, builders, delivery drivers etc...well lockdown has no bearing on their jobs, they have to risk getting Covid so that others are free to sit on their asses at home. But the real strange thing is that even though the U.K. has one of the most advanced vaccination programs in the world they are still indicating that strict rules will still remain imposed on us...

 

[snakestretcher]

Another strange feature of the lockdown in the U.K. is that the lowest earners , those that do the dirty low paid but very necessary jobs ,like shop workers, builders, delivery drivers etc...well lockdown has no bearing on their jobs, they have to risk getting Covid so that others are free to sit on their asses at home. But the real strange thing is that even though the U.K. has one of the most advanced vaccination programs in the world they are still indicating that strict rules will still remain imposed on us...

Yes, because vaccine antibodies take a while to mature, and there is still a degree of uncertainty about how current vaccines will deal with new emergent SARS Cov-2 variants. Why aren't you aware of this?

 

[Big Eye]

Find a nice comfy conspiracy forum with your pal 'Monica'. This forum is for adults.

Look snake, you are the one that believes everything those in authority tell you...anyone with a brain cell knows that politicians and the media are not something you should just trust without question ...unless you’re a complete retard anyway.

Just admit it...you love the lockdown don’t you...you love the fact that basic rights have been taken away from the people don’t you? You are definitely of the left...

 

[Big Eye]

Yes, because vaccine antibodies take a while to mature, and there is still a degree of uncertainty about how current vaccines will deal with new emergent SARS Cov-2 variants. Why aren't you aware of this?

Anyone that excuses the constant build up of reasons why we should not come out of lockdown is a disgrace...people like that are literally destroying democracy.

 

[snakestretcher]

Look snake, you are the one that believes everything those in authority tell you...anyone with a brain cell knows that politicians and the media are not something you should just trust without question ...unless you’re a complete retard anyway.

Just admit it...you love the lockdown don’t you...you love the fact that basic rights have been taken away from the people don’t you? You are definitely of the left...

You're simply paranoid about everything; just like 'Monica'. Everything is a Big Lie; everything is a conspiracy, nobody can be trusted, underhand practises are around every corner, waiting to trip-up the unwary. How do you get through your day?

 

[snakestretcher]

Anyone that excuses the constant build up of reasons why we should not come out of lockdown is a disgrace...people like that are literally destroying democracy.

Oh good grief

 

[Big Eye]

Looks like snake is prepared to give up democracy so that he is 1 % safer...what a ****ing hero.

 

[Big Eye]

You're simply paranoid about everything; just like 'Monica'. Everything is a Big Lie; everything is a conspiracy, nobody can be trusted, underhand practises are around every corner, waiting to pounce on the unwary. How do you get through your day?

Democracy is being systematically destroyed and that is your response. You are either complacent or stupid...or maybe you just like the situation...I think it’s probably the latter.

 

[snakestretcher]

Looks like snake is prepared to give up democracy so that he is 1 % safer...what a ****ing hero.

I haven't given up my brain to absurd conspiratorial nonsense. Go to Tesco; discounts on tin foil are available (get the heavy variety; I hear it works best against the Soros-Gates mind-control waves).

 

[snakestretcher]

Democracy is being systematically destroyed and that is your response. You are either complacent or stupid...or maybe you just like the situation...I think it’s probably the latter.

Please, don't be stupid. Nobody is destroying democracy, "systematically" or otherwise; you, of course, have the option to explain, in detail, how you think it's happening. I'll wait...

 

[Big Eye]

I haven't given up my brain to absurd conspiratorial nonsense. Go to Tesco; discounts on tin foil are available (get the heavy variety; I hear it works best against the Soros-Gates mind-control waves).

You’ve literally got nothing to say about the fact that our entire democratic way of life has been surrendered because far, far less than 1% of the population...and those generally seriously ill people , have, or may have, died from Covid. You also seem to think that the collateral damage in terms of non-treatment of serious disease and economic carnage is worth it...and you’re trying to pretend I’m nuts.

 

[snakestretcher]

You’ve literally got nothing to say about the fact that our entire democratic way of life has been surrendered because far, far less than 1% of the population...and those generally seriously ill people , have, or may have, died from Covid. You also seem to think that the collateral damage in terms of non-treatment of serious disease and economic carnage is worth it...and you’re trying to pretend I’m nuts.

So you can't explain why you think democracy is being "systematically destroyed". Why am I not surprised? Oh, and don't even think about inventing things I never said or implied. Find something productive to do. Maybe get a job?

 

[Big Eye]

Please, don't be stupid. Nobody is destroying democracy, "systematically" or otherwise; you, of course, have the option to explain, in detail, how you think it's happening. I'll wait...

When people are no longer free to go about their business, to meet family, go to the pub, restaurant , play or watch sport, live music...to visit their old relatives in care homes...then we are no longer in a free, democratic nation. Democracy has been surrendered to the fear of a relatively small risk...most people that have died in the past year did not die of Covid. Grow up or admit that you like the situation.

 

[snakestretcher]

When people are no longer free to go about their business, to meet family, go to the pub, restaurant , play or watch sport, live music...to visit their old relatives in care homes...then we are no longer in a free, democratic nation. Democracy has been surrendered to the fear of a relatively small risk...most people that have died in the past year did not die of Covid. Grow up or admit that you like the situation.

Oh ffs. There is a deadly pandemic stopping people working. Or hadn't you noticed? Pandemics die out, life returns to normal. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, along with all the restrictions placed on the British public, didn't bring about the end of democracy either, despite killing millions worldwide. Wake the **** up and quit subscribing to this conspiratorial idiocy. You'll feel better. Let me hazard a guess here; you believe climate change is a hoax too, right?

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[Big Eye]

Oh ffs. There is a deadly pandemic stopping people working. Or hadn't you noticed? Pandemics die out, life returns to normal. The 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, along with all the restrictions placed on the British public, didn't bring about the end of democracy either, despite killing millions worldwide. Wake the **** up and quit subscribing to this conspiratorial idiocy. You'll feel better. Let me hazard a guess here; you believe climate change is a hoax too, right?

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This deadly pandemic has killed less than 0.2% of the population (of overwhelmingly unwell people)...and that’s if you’re dopey enough to believe the overblown numbers. 99% of the vulnerable are vaccinated and still many of our rights are withheld. Never in democratic history has an overwhelmingly not at risk population been restricted to this degree. There is constant talk of new variants and increasing testing which is guaranteed to increase “cases” , these restrictions are primed to return if and when the authorities want them...you are naive enough to believe that this reaction to a pandemic of low risk is worth the cost. It’s you that needs to grow a pair ...and maybe open your eyes to how easily the authorities have taken control.

 

[snakestretcher]

This deadly pandemic has killed less than 0.2% of the population (of overwhelmingly unwell people)...and that’s if you’re dopey enough to believe the overblown numbers. 99% of the vulnerable are vaccinated and still many of our rights are withheld. Never in democratic history has an overwhelmingly not at risk population been restricted to this degree. There is constant talk of new variants and increasing testing which is guaranteed to increase “cases” , these restrictions are primed to return if and when the authorities want them...you are naive enough to believe that this reaction to a pandemic of low risk is worth the cost. It’s you that needs to grow a pair ...and maybe open your eyes to how easily the authorities have taken control.

Conspiracy forum, that way>

 

[Big Eye]

I’ll add that I think there is a good chance that this virus was created in a lab...and that the authorities know that and that there could be concerns about what else could follow...so these restrictions may have a good basis. That may or may not be the case but it is clear to any logical mind that these restrictions are far more than the apparent threat requires.0.2 percent of the population have died in a year ( almost certainly inflated numbers) by this virus ..average age of death is 82, and snake is shitting himself under a rock in Devon.

 

[Big Eye]

Conspiracy forum, that way>

How is any of that a conspiracy...every word I wrote there is true. Point out the lie.

 

[snakestretcher]

I’ll add that I think there is a good chance that this virus was created in a lab...and that the authorities know that and that there could be concerns about what else could follow...so these restrictions may have a good basis. That may or may not be the case but it is clear to any logical mind that these restrictions are far more than the apparent threat requires.0.2 percent of the population have died in a year ( almost certainly inflated numbers) by this virus ..average age of death is 82, and snake is shitting himself under a rock in Devon.

More baseless theorising. Shitting myself? Why would I be; I got vaccinated and have had enough formal medical training to understand what this disease does. You, on the other hand, spend your days watching mindless stupidity on youtube and accepting some idiot's uneducated opinion as truth. Tell you what matey, go visit your local Covid ward and speak to a couple of doctors or nurses. Maybe they might be able to modify your dismissively ignorant attitude.

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