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Yeah/ nah, We don't have a gun problem in new zealand. (1 Viewer)

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Waikato man in his 70s allegedly caught with fireworks in pockets and a bomb in his lounge​

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waika...omb-in-his-lounge/OBRWLOIOU5BYLABCITQS6YKFM4/
A man was so sick of being burgled he allegedly built a homemade bomb capable of wiping out everything in its path for a kilometre.
The explosive was only discovered by police after the Waikato man, in his 70s, was allegedly caught with two small homemade fireworks in his pocket when he entered Hamilton District Court yesterday.
He had arrived at the courthouse to support someone who was appearing.
The New Zealand Defence Force’s bomb squad was called to inspect the fireworks before the man allegedly told police what he had at his home.
A homemade bomb was allegedly found in his lounge and all it required to detonate was an ignition.
About 8pm, the area around his home was evacuated and the bomb squad went inside where they allegedly found a pipe bomb.
The bomb squad advised police that it had a “blast [radius] felt out to 1km and death would have been immediate in close vicinity”.
It was estimated that the shock from the blast would be felt for up to 2km.
The man allegedly said he made the device because he was sick of having property stolen from his house.
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CLAX1911 said:
So there really isn't a problem with guns it's the impetus of the people that use them to commit crimes. Calling it a gun problem is immature.
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True, as I keep saying to the pro gun crowd it is not the gun that is the problem. It is the person who believes a gun is a solution to a problem
 
New Zealand has low population density and low poverty levels.
 
soylentgreen said:
True, as I keep saying to the pro gun crowd it is not the gun that is the problem. It is the person who believes a gun is a solution to a problem
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It's not the pro gun crowd either at least not in the US they're more law abiding than police.

I'd say it's the criminal element.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's not the pro gun crowd either at least not in the US they're more law abiding than police.

I'd say it's the criminal element.
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Law abiding is an ironic position for most of them considering many still use the "cold dead hands" cliche.

No, I would say that because many of them consider themselves to be law abiding then nothing need change. So nothing gets done to deal with those who have problems.
 
uptower said:
He could have kept a gun with a license. Though he'd probably have to lock it up. A baseball bat under the bed?
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See! That is typical small time thinking of americans. Why by a gun and settle for just killing the criminal when you can build a bomb and take out the ****ing neighborhood.
 
soylentgreen said:
Law abiding is an ironic position for most of them considering many still use the "cold dead hands" cliche.
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Only if abiding by the law means no rights. If you have no access to competent self defense you have no rights.

You can't ask people to abide totalitarian dictatorship.
soylentgreen said:
No, I would say that because many of them consider themselves to be law abiding then nothing need change. So nothing gets done to deal with those who have problems.
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Your placing the problem on the wrong people I'm not sure if this is due to incompetence or bigotry.

When a murderer murders somebody you didn't go kick in some random hunters door and steal his rifle. That's what you are advocating.

I think it's more that you hate people who don't want to fit into your dystopian collective.

I think your view is misanthropic not just against gun owners but humanity in general. That's why genocide seems to correlate with collectives they must exterminate separatist.

Is that what you want comply or die? I think that's why you try and claim that human nature is toxic culture.
 
Teatime said:
I missed something here....aren't home made bombs already illegal pretty much everywhere? Also, aren't bombs not guns, why is this post in the gun forum?
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He's not very honest. His idea is essentially Marxist utopia anybody who expresses individualism is wrong to him. He's a collectivist. Essentially he doesn't think you should have any rights outside of the collective. Keep that in mind when engaging with him.
 
Teatime said:
A follow-up general question: I get the ban on guns and explosives, but why a ban on folding pocket knives?
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They banned fried chicken during the pandemic.

www.pajiba.com

New Zealand Gang Goes On a Chicken Run

Two men were arrested in Auckland, New Zealand yesterday after violating Covid lockdown for... fried chicken.
www.pajiba.com www.pajiba.com

This is why you never give these Nazis an inch.
 
CLAX1911 said:
He's not very honest. His idea is essentially Marxist utopia anybody who expresses individualism is wrong to him. He's a collectivist. Essentially he doesn't think you should have any rights outside of the collective. Keep that in mind when engaging with him.
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I notice the article begins by saying the bomb could "wipe out everything in it's path for a kilometer"...something only an actual nuclear detonation can accomplish...but then quotes a bomb squad officer saying an explosion could "be felt out to a kilometer".
 
IIRC, there is no allowance under NZ law for killing people to protect property. Self defence, or defence of others is fine, but not property. Hence, thieves are seldom armed, and a death during a robbery is very rare. Police killing thieves is also very rare because the thieves don't carry guns very often. Start arming all those who are scared of being robbed, and the thieves will start arming themselves with more dangerous arms to counter the armed home owners etc. Then, more people, thieves, police, and home owners start dying. It isn't a virtuous circle!
 
Teatime said:
I notice the article begins by saying the bomb could "wipe out everything in it's path for a kilometer"...something only an actual nuclear detonation can accomplish...but then quotes a bomb squad officer saying an explosion could "be felt out to a kilometer".
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We are talking about the country who's police did a fried chicken trafficking bust.

So I didn't think they are the smartest.
 
Teatime said:
Military-grade high-capacity assault fried chicken?
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Did you see the picture of his if was all piled up on the police car like it was heroin?

It wasn't because of the chicken it's because the people defied the government that dictated you couldn't travel a certain distance away.

We're watching Europe Australia and the like devolve.

The UK fined a man for thoughts. Like £12,000

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CLAX1911 said:
We are talking about the country who's police did a fried chicken trafficking bust.

So I didn't think they are the smartest.
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CLAX1911 said:
Did you see the picture of his if was all piled up on the police car like it was heroin?

It wasn't because of the chicken it's because the people defied the government that dictated you couldn't travel a certain distance away.

We're watching Europe Australia and the like devolve.

The UK fined a man for thoughts. Like £12,000

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NZ...a cute, quirky little island. I hear they're making a live-action Moana. Also, YouTube's channel Epic NPC Man films there. Seems nice, other than the insane people running it.
 
Ishm said:
IIRC, there is no allowance under NZ law for killing people to protect property. Self defence, or defence of others is fine, but not property. Hence, thieves are seldom armed, and a death during a robbery is very rare. Police killing thieves is also very rare because the thieves don't carry guns very often. Start arming all those who are scared of being robbed, and the thieves will start arming themselves with more dangerous arms to counter the armed home owners etc. Then, more people, thieves, police, and home owners start dying. It isn't a virtuous circle!
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So, uh....why is everyone robbing eachother in the first place? Seems like guns and bombs are the least of their worries.
 
Ishm said:
IIRC, there is no allowance under NZ law for killing people to protect property.
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So you have no rights to your property. Sometime can just take it and the state makes that so.
Ishm said:
Self defence, or defence of others is fine, but not property.
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When will self defense not be okay? That's the next goal.
Ishm said:
Hence, thieves are seldom armed, and a death during a robbery is very rare.
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So you don't risk much stealing. Good of NZ to empower their criminals. God I'm glad I didn't live in that dump.
Ishm said:
Police killing thieves is also very rare because the thieves don't carry guns very often.
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Police killing thieves for theft is very rare in the States. If they are killed by police it's probably because the thief escalated
Ishm said:
Start arming all those who are scared of being robbed, and the thieves will start arming themselves with more dangerous arms to counter the armed home owners etc.
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If we are talking about robbery that's using force against people. They are armed to present a threat. If we are talking about only thieves they commit theft not robbery.

Do you not know the difference between theft and robbery?
Ishm said:
Then, more people, thieves, police, and home owners start dying. It isn't a virtuous circle!
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Not concerned about thieves dying danger might discourage people. If they murder home owners they aren't thieves they are murderers. I'm my state that's a capital offense to murder someone in the commission if a crime.

Don't want to die in the commission of a theft or in state custody don't be a thief.
 
Teatime said:
NZ...a cute, quirky little island. I hear they're making a live-action Moana. Also, YouTube's channel Epic NPC Man films there. Seems nice, other than the insane people running it.
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Oh I bet the place is beautiful. Their government is becoming a little oppressive.
 
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