Wan
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Are you claiming that "unmet labor demands" cannot be filled internally/domestically?
Are you claiming that "unmet labor demands" cannot be filled internally/domestically?No, I don't. But I want the honest people who want to fill unmet labor demands in this country to be able to do so legally.
They are...and arbitrary ones at that. Does the bird carrying an eaten seed in its gullet stop at customs to declare an invasive species? No.
In two places, sections of the United States are NOT connected to the mainland. Lake of the Woods and Point Roberts, both of which are bad jokes and make mockery of your immigration and customs laws. In Point Roberts about 100 homes in Canada border right up against US territory - the division line non existent. If they want to see a neighbor they wall out the back of the yard crossing an international boundary illegally under US law, walk 100 meters and return to Canada through anbother's unfenced back yard.
In Lake of the Woods, people walk in and out of Canada and the United States all day long, they report to no one and declare nothing.
After 911 Americans went ballistic with "security precautions" I celebrated passage of the Patriot Act by walking into Point Roberts with a six pack of Canadian Beer, a box of Cuban cigars and an ounce of BC bud. The only people who noticed or knew were those treated to my gifts.
So put away the bull****. The problem has been around longer than my 70 years, if they wanted it fixed it would be by now.
Oh...for fun and a sense of our history here on the West Coast, Wiki "Canada-US Pig War"
I have not made any assertions as far as I am aware of. And if you can point to one, then I will do my best to prove it.
But you still have yet to prove your assertions. So I will ask you, when are you going to do that?
It doesn't matter if it's 2 million or 20 million. You are splitting hair. You are also dodging his point, which is that having a lot of illegals in a country will lower the quality of life for the rightful citizens.
You did. And your assertion was the opposite of mine. You said:
Thank you for having the integrity to at least try to back up your assertions. Although, I will say that a lot of it sounds like speculation on your part. I will let real Americans deal with it. But I know one thing though, removing these illegals would be the right thing to do, because they are criminals. We should always do the right thing, regardless of what costs it might bring.At least some of mine is obvious on its face. Removing 10% of our population would be a huge drain on spending, which would hurt a lot of businesses.
And deporting the parents of U.S. citizen children would put many of those children on welfare and make many of them vulnerable to criminal futures.
And then there would be the effect of dumping a lot of deportees on countries where MS-13, for example, has a foothold. That would give MS-13 new clients and English-speaking people to recruit from. That would be an additional hit on our national security, in addition to the rise in crime which would come with decimating our population.
No, I don't. But I want the honest people who want to fill unmet labor demands in this country to be able to do so legally. You know nuance, both in thinking and policy, isn't as complicated as the "common sense" crowd likes to believe.
How does their removal increase the crime rate here in states?You did. And your assertion was the opposite of mine. You said:
At least some of mine is obvious on its face. Removing 10% of our population would be a huge drain on spending, which would hurt a lot of businesses.
And deporting the parents of U.S. citizen children would put many of those children on welfare and make many of them vulnerable to criminal futures.
And then there would be the effect of dumping a lot of deportees on countries where MS-13, for example, has a foothold. That would give MS-13 new clients and English-speaking people to recruit from. That would be an additional hit on our national security, in addition to the rise in crime which would come with decimating our population.
They can't earn a profit while paying guys who make what I make do the jobs they need done. And there are people who make a lot less than I do who fall into the same boat. A lot of native-born, educated citizens are simply priced out of that part of the labor market.unmet labor demands is what drives employers to compete for your labor increasing the wages your labor can demand. ie increasing the wages and benefits for the lower 50% of earners.
How does their removal increase the crime rate here in states?
22 million people keeping their heads down, paying taxes, doing thankless jobs, employing other people, buying food and clothes and cars and houses, raising little Social Security contributors, et cetera.
22 million driving with no license, registration or insurance...drunk.
They can't earn a profit while paying guys who make what I make do the jobs they need done.
A lot of native-born, educated citizens are simply priced out of that part of the labor market.
I don't know any white-collar Americans having trouble finding gainful employment (particularly in medicine, tech, engineering, and other STEM fields (where the vast majority of our H1-B visas go)). Maybe some kids with JDs from ****ty law schools. But almost no one else in the white collar sector is suffering.If a business can only make a profit by paying employees (unreasonably) low wages, then it's a good thing that it goes out of business.
Then this appears to me that Americans should not only crack down on illegal immigration, they should also cut down on legal immigration. Foreign-born, highly-trained and -skilled immigrants are taking jobs from white-collar Americans. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
I don't know any white-collar Americans having trouble finding gainful employment (particularly in medicine, tech, engineering, and other STEM fields (where the vast majority of our H1-B visas go)).
Please provide proof.But almost no one else in the white collar sector is suffering.
I need to provide proof that suffering doesn't exist?Anecdotes do not make a good argument.
Please provide proof.
I need to provide proof that suffering doesn't exist?
22 millions of those illegals are right here in Kalifornia, I believe 2 million of them voted for Globalist Granny.
Interesting. Do you think this is good or bad?
I think it is good, because the studies I've seen show that immigrants are less violent than native born Americans, so this will help make the USA a safer place to live.
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As an aside. So this is a study in a peer reviewed journal, and you call it the truth. For future reference, here is a link to two peer reviewed journal studies, each as prestigious, or more so, than Yale. Can we agree that it also is the truth?
Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters
Let's start with our shortage in primary and specialty care physicians. And they're very well compensated (though highly in debt). And let's move on to our tech industry. Do you know what the average pay is at the major tech firms and corporations in this country?No and you know that's not what I said. It's not even what you claimed. Your claim: no one in the white-collar sector is suffering, in other words, you are claiming (and I am paraphrasing) that legal immigration does not impact on native-born Americans' employment opportunities. If you disagree with my paraphrase then by all means clarify what you really meant.
Lets try to answer my question again.
22 million people keeping their heads down, paying taxes, doing thankless jobs, employing other people, buying food and clothes and cars and houses, raising little Social Security contributors, et cetera.
For some of those countries the immigrants are from, having puppet governments put in place by the USA has led to intolerable conditions.
It doesn't work that way. 1 crime committed by an illegal alien is 1 more crime that happened to a USA citizen. Its cumulative, meaning their would be less crime if we didn't have those illegal aliens.
That too.
We tromp around the world playing God and breaking countries.
You sure put your words out front here when it come to the USA and it's immigration problem.
Get back to us when Canada sucks in 20 million refugees and illegals, and then come back and tell us all about how wonderful it is for you and everyone else.
So you will share your hard-earned money with me? I like this idea.we need to share out wealth with all mankind.
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