WTF Happened to MY Country?

[easyt65]

I have a very good friend who served his country well, joined an organization that helps nations abroad, met and married his wife from the Czech Republic, and has come back home. He just told me that, after trying for a while now, that he and his wife are expecting a baby. THAT's the good news!

He then told me that she has some type of medical issue that will require special care to ensure the baby's safety. The job he has doesn't offer enough insurance/medical benefits, and the insurace companies are $crewing him with their costly demands to cover her/them. He can not afford the huge medical bills that he is faced with on his on, and he can't get any help.

So, my friend, who served his country well, as I still do, and who served as an ambassador for the U.S. abroad, returned home to find he has been abandoned! He told me that he has no other option than to return to the Czech Republic where the kind of health care she needs is free to Czech citizens. My buddy doesn't want the U.S. to pick up his entire medical tab - He just wants a little help!

But it's pretty frickin' sad when an American has to go to another country because his own country won't help him. We have 12 MILLION illegals and counting in this coutry, a large protion of them receiving FREE medical care - and we can't - WON'T - even help our own! Our frickin' politicians won't be happy until they give this whole D@MN country away, and they'll $crew every single American to do it, just as long as they get something out of it!

 

[Goobieman]

Your friend should look to a private charity to see if he can get help.

Of course, the liberals will tell you this is why we need universal health care -- after all, nothing would make them happier than for me to be forced to pay for his wife's health care.

 

[southern_liberal]

Your friend should look to a private charity to see if he can get help.

Of course, the liberals will tell you this is why we need universal health care -- after all, nothing would make them happier than for me to be forced to pay for his wife's health care.

And it is that kind of selfishness that makes the conservative wing of the republican party so deplorable to me.

 

[easyt65]

Instead of Universal health care, how about getting the Insurance company lobbyists from stuffing millions in our representative's pockets and a little bit of oversight?

Or here's a great freakin' idea: How about we uphold the existing laws in thic country and start demanding companies NOT hire illegals. If there are no jobs then the illegals will stop coming here! If Alaska game officials can confiscate a man's fishing gear, his vehicle, and fine the cr@p out of him for catching & keeping 3 salmon rather than 2 or the goverment can confiscate vehicles and fine drug delaers they catch, then our goverment should be able to seize property and fine the cr@p out of companies they catch hiring illegals!

How about STOP the Liberals STOP giving away free health care, social security (a program already strained to the point of collapse trying to keep paying AMERICANS), medicare, etc at the expense of tax paying Americans.

Maybe if he had some of his tax money back that the crooks in Washington have taken to fascistly redistribute to ILLEGALS so THEY could keep getting re-elected and look after themselves then he could pay totake care of his wife/family!

 

[disneydude]

Wow....easy.....there IS still hope for you. You can see the issues....but you are still missing the point.

Welcome to the United States that the Republican party has given you. A Country in which corporations get rich at the demise of the middle class. A Country in which insurance companies and drug companies line their pockets with the money of the working class and large numbers of our citizens go uninsured. A country in which insurance companies can negotiate with drug companies for lower costs, but the government cannot. A Country in which Corporations outsource American jobs in order to increase their own wealth paying third world wages....and a country in which corporations decrease living wages by hiring undocumented immigrants who will work for less.

I agree easy....WTF happened to America?....well, the answer is not that difficult....I can give you three guesses.

 

[easyt65]

DD, I hear ya, but part of the problem is expressed in your sentiment:

Welcome to the United States that the Republican party has given you.

This sh!t did NOT happen over night and certainly not ONLY in the last 8 years! I am neither a Republican or a Democrat - I am first and foremost an AMERICAN, and I am trying to speak from that perspective!

I am SO sick of the Politics of Personal Destruction, the Obstructionist Politics, & the BS hypocrisy! ALL of it are symptoms of the bigger problem - the disease that has affected this whole country: The BS 'Political Party 1st' attitude!

Case in point, and I only use these because they are coming to mind 1st:

Nancy Pelosi, just before being elected to her current position frickin' BRAGGED in a Time magazine interview about how here and the Democrats have engaged in Obstructionist politics, fighting any legislation the GOP had come up with, no matter how good or how bad, in order to cause frustration in America over nothing being done, resulting in Americans turning back to the Democrats. Don't get me wrong - the GOP, not use to being the majority, $crewed up royaly - but Pelosi bragged how she and her party intentionally put the Democratic Party ABOVE the country they were elected to serve - ALL for personal and party benefit! Even their last campaign echoed/supported what she said in that articel: Time for a change! They didn't offer any ideas - they just finished off what their Obstructionist Politics had been working towards for years!

Then there's the freakin' hypocrisy: Pelos called the GOP the 'cultrue of corruption' or something like that, then she promised to run the cleanest/most honest congress in history. the words weren't even off her lips 5 minutes before she nominates the star of the FBI's ABSCAM Scandal tapes (a guy who in those tapes said he was not willing to take a bribe YET but would consider it inthe future) and a judge who had been CONVICTED of multile charges, including perjury, to positions of power. The Democrats also attacked a GOP, demanding that the perv who wrote disgusting things to under-aged pages, step down [which I agree should have happened]; YET, these same Democrats allowed one of their own, years earlier, who had had SEX with under-aged pages not only remain in office but NOT face criminal charges!

So, don't give me this "Welcome to the Democratic Party, We hate the GOP, and it's all Bush's & the GOP's fault'" speech! THAT is CR@P! If we can't even get the people being $crewed to stop drinking the coolade and realize that corruprion and garbage is going-on on both sides of the aisle then this country is lost because, as painfully evident anymore, they will NOT police themselves and make things right once again! Right now the goverment is infected with 'Me/Party 1st', and where we ALL need to be is 'America 1st'!

 

[WI Crippler]

When dealing with the illegal situation, the leftists in this country have already provided us the solution. They are just trying to use it on our troops rather than with regards to illegal aliens. If we were to cut off funding for illegals ( make it illegal to employ illegals and enforce it, no free emergency room visits, no voting rights, etc...) maybe they would stop coming over. They come to America for the prosperity our country can offer. If we deny them access to that prosperity, prehaps it would stem the flow.

 

[easyt65]

You're partially correct about the politicians putting the illegal immigration problem on the military, if you are talking about the Natl. Guard troops on the Border.

But what about what you are NOT being allowed to hear? Dirty/corrupt Mexican military have escorted drug dealers across the border and onto our soil on numerous occassions recently. On several of those our Border Patrol AND our own military have been fired upon - ACTS OF WAR! Yet, the Border patrol and our military are NOT allowed to fight back. Personally, if I was the governor in charge of the National Guard troops protecting the border, I would have called in an air strike in their defense, wiping out any and all Mexicans - including any of their military - on our side of the border. This would definitely have caused an International Incident and the news of Mexico's invasion and acts of war against this country would HAVE to be reported - Americans would be forced to wake up to the truth!

The congress - both parties - have voted to put up a wall, but they refuse to fund it. They put the military on the border but refuse them the authority to use force, EVEN in their own defense. Border patrol agents who fire on fleeing drug dealers are not defended. Instead, OUR goverment sends agents to track down the dealer and give him immunity if he comes back abd testifies against the Americans who are trying to protect our borders. While waiting on the trial to begin, this same drug dealer is caught making another big drug run but is released because he was granted Immunity and the Fed Govt could not have their lead witness in jail on drug running charges. Those Border Patrol agents are now in jail, where one recently was beaten up badly by criminals including illegal immigrants in that same jail - the drug dealer is free and probably planning his next run across our border! The Mexican goverment has filed lawsuits on behalf of illegals criminally trespassing across private US property to illegally get into this country because they were threatened at gun point to vacate the property or hurt themselves while making the illegal crossing. Several of these resulted in US Federal courts upholding the decision and their execution of American properties being seized and turned over to the Mexican goverment. To my knowledge, only 1 - ONE - of these was over-turned when taken up to a higher US court of appeals! Meanewhile the reports of Mexican brutality in dealing with the handling and preventing of illegals coming into THEIR country from their southern border is out there! The Mexican goverment is handing out THOUSANDS of GPS equipment and providing them with Intel on OUR Border Patrol and troop movement in order to assist the illegals get across our border, yet we are constantly told that Mexico is in this immigration progress with us, trying to stop it! (WHY is this invasion being allowed? Why haven't we cut off all Funding to Mexico until they SERIOUSLY deal with this problem?)

WTF?!

 

[jfuh]

I have a very good friend who served his country well, joined an organization that helps nations abroad, met and married his wife from the Czech Republic, and has come back home. He just told me that, after trying for a while now, that he and his wife are expecting a baby. THAT's the good news!

He then told me that she has some type of medical issue that will require special care to ensure the baby's safety. The job he has doesn't offer enough insurance/medical benefits, and the insurace companies are $crewing him with their costly demands to cover her/them. He can not afford the huge medical bills that he is faced with on his on, and he can't get any help.

So, my friend, who served his country well, as I still do, and who served as an ambassador for the U.S. abroad, returned home to find he has been abandoned! He told me that he has no other option than to return to the Czech Republic where the kind of health care she needs is free to Czech citizens. My buddy doesn't want the U.S. to pick up his entire medical tab - He just wants a little help!

But it's pretty frickin' sad when an American has to go to another country because his own country won't help him. We have 12 MILLION illegals and counting in this coutry, a large protion of them receiving FREE medical care - and we can't - WON'T - even help our own! Our frickin' politicians won't be happy until they give this whole D@MN country away, and they'll $crew every single American to do it, just as long as they get something out of it!

I here by renounce my US citizenship - ok now give me free healthcare through the ER rooms as well as tax free income.:roll:

 

[jfuh]

Instead of Universal health care, how about getting the Insurance company lobbyists from stuffing millions in our representative's pockets and a little bit of oversight?

Or here's a great freakin' idea: How about we uphold the existing laws in thic country and start demanding companies NOT hire illegals. If there are no jobs then the illegals will stop coming here! If Alaska game officials can confiscate a man's fishing gear, his vehicle, and fine the cr@p out of him for catching & keeping 3 salmon rather than 2 or the goverment can confiscate vehicles and fine drug delaers they catch, then our goverment should be able to seize property and fine the cr@p out of companies they catch hiring illegals!

How about STOP the Liberals STOP giving away free health care, social security (a program already strained to the point of collapse trying to keep paying AMERICANS), medicare, etc at the expense of tax paying Americans.

Maybe if he had some of his tax money back that the crooks in Washington have taken to fascistly redistribute to ILLEGALS so THEY could keep getting re-elected and look after themselves then he could pay totake care of his wife/family!

The thread was good until you went on to this blame the liberals hysteria.
Here's the thing, who's in charge today? Oh right, a "conservative" republican. Who is advocating for illegal immigrants? Oh right again, the same "conservative" republican. Who refuses to secure our border with an actual border long wall? The same pathetic "conservative" republican. So can we dispense with the liberal bullshit?

 

[easyt65]

The thread was good until you went on to this blame the liberals hysteria.
Here's the thing, who's in charge today? Oh right, a "conservative" republican. Who is advocating for illegal immigrants? Oh right again, the same "conservative" republican. Who refuses to secure our border with an actual border long wall? The same pathetic "conservative" republican. So can we dispense with the liberal bullshit?

Ok, good point - I'll concede that what I should have said, instead of this - How about STOP the Liberals - is stop the politicians!

However:

1) The 12 Million illegal immigrants (and counting) did not all come here in the last 8 years, so I am pretty sure that both parties have failed miserably in their jobs...unless their jobs have become to pocket as much cash as possible while looking out for only themselves and their own respective parties!!

2) Congress - not the President - votes on funding for legislation, and the current congress won't even table the discussion/put the issue of illegal immigration/this invasion on the itinerary before the House/Senate let alone fund a wall. So much for that 'time for a change' BS they were spewing before this last election - it is the same BS the other criminals were pushing before they got voted back to the minority! So, yes, we can dispense with the PARTY-line BS from both sides and acknowledge that BOTH parties are selling this country out & $crewing Americans in the process!

 

[jfuh]

Ok, good point - I'll concede that what I should have said, instead of this - How about STOP the Liberals - is stop the politicians!

Yes, thank you.

However:

1) The 12 Million illegal immigrants (and counting) did not all come here in the last 8 years, so I am pretty sure that both parties have failed miserably in their jobs...unless their jobs have become to pocket as much cash as possible while looking out for only themselves and their own respective parties!!

Yes they have, all of them.

2) Congress - not the President - votes on funding for legislation, and the current congress won't even table the discussion/put the issue of illegal immigration/this invasion on the itinerary before the House/Senate let alone fund a wall. So much for that 'time for a change' BS they were spewing before this last election - it is the same BS the other criminals were pushing before they got voted back to the minority! So, yes, we can dispense with the PARTY-line BS from both sides and acknowledge that BOTH parties are selling this country out & $crewing Americans in the process!

The president has veto power; this president does not want to veto an illegal immigrant appropriations bill; he wants to set this very agenda.
If the Democrats in control set this agenda through, 2008 will be a very bad year for them.
Both parties want this 12million strong voting block, that's all these mofo's care about, retaining power and control - dissimilar to any politician in the past. In front of the camera it's one way, behind closed doors it's an orgy fest.

 

[easyt65]

Both parties want this 12million strong voting block, that's all these mofo's care about, retaining power and control

That is one thing we both agree on...and while we are offering up our tax dollars to these mofos who are selling this country out from under us to the illegals who are invading this nation, Americans like my buddy have to turn to other countries for medical care because his own nation has abandoned him!

 

[Goobieman]

And it is that kind of selfishness that makes the conservative wing of the republican party so deplorable to me.

How is taking offense to being -forced- by the government to pay for someone else's health care an indication of selfishness?

 

[ARealConservative]

But it's pretty frickin' sad when an American has to go to another country because his own country won't help him. We have 12 MILLION illegals and counting in this coutry, a large protion of them receiving FREE medical care - and we can't - WON'T - even help our own! Our frickin' politicians won't be happy until they give this whole D@MN country away, and they'll $crew every single American to do it, just as long as they get something out of it!

your friend can get the same medical care illegals get. they wait until the last minute and go to the emergency room, where it is not legal to deny service based on ability to pay or provide ID. He could then attempt to file for bankruptcy once it is all said and done.

The difference though, is your friend doesn't want this poor level of medical care. He likely wants all the periodic check-ups and what not. Illegals' aren't getting that level of care, which makes your rant innacurate.

I'm sorry for the hassle your friend is going though, but I don't see why military service or the illegal alien situation is related to this issue at all.

 

[Goobieman]

No offense to easy65 or his friend, but...

Part of "what has happened to the country" is that people have invested themselves in the 'entitlement" mindset - that they are entitled to not have to pay for their health care (the relevant example) and that if they dont have insurance, or their insurance doesnt cover something, the government should take care of it.

Your insurance or lack of it, is your problem. You chose your job, and if you did your part in doing so, you knew about theie insurance when you took the job. It may indeed suck that your insurance doesnt cover everything, but that's between you and your employer -- and, ultimately, it means you made a poor choice.

And as far as the government picking up the tab -- there are ALL kinds of problems with this, not the least of which is that the Constitution doesnt give Congress the power to provide health care to the American people -- I have to wonder how it is that -I- am responsible for paying for -your- health care.

 

[rivrrat]

I don't think there's an easy answer for situations like this, or an easy place to put the blame.

Healthcare costs are not cheap, but that doesn't mean that I should pay for someone else's healthcare.

What should be address is *why* healthcare costs are so high that it makes it difficult for the average person to afford care.

Quoted from a study by the CATO institute:

The major culprit in the seemingly endless rise in health care costs is found to be the removal of the patient as a major participant in the financial and medical choices that are currently being made by others in the name of the patient.

The increasing share of medical bills paid by third-party payers (insurance companies and governments) and the disastrous consequences are documented. Patients overuse medical resources since those resources appear to be free or almost free. Producers of medical equipment create new and more expensive devices, even if they are of only marginal benefit, since third-party payers create a guaranteed market. Attempts to rein in those costs have led to a blizzard of paperwork but proven ineffective in controlling costs.

The cure for the present problems is straightforward: the patient must once again be made the central actor in the medical marketplace. Patients need to be given the same motivations to economize on medical care that they have to economize in other markets. Tax laws need to be rewritten. The use of medical savings accounts needs to be promoted. High-deductible health insurance should be encouraged.

Returning the patient, and normal market principles, to center stage is all that is necessary to bring the costs of health care under control.

There's a lot more the study addresses, and it breaks things down more than I'd care to quote here. But here is a brief breakdown they do for excessive cost groups:

The first, and by far the largest excess cost, is due to the current overuse of medical resources by patients. Overuse is the rational response of consumers who do not have to pay the entire cost of the medical services they use. The causes of those excess costs are Medicaid, Medicare, and tax laws that provide incentives for individuals to have their employers purchase their medical care in the form of private health insurance.

• The second category of excess cost consists of administrative and paperwork costs that are unnecessary for the provision of health care, but that have come into existence because of the current patchwork of third-party payers and their attempts to control their increasing costs by closely monitoring the behavior of doctors and patients. Even worse is the fact that those cost-containment activities do not seem to have contained costs very well.

• The third excess cost is associated with the fear of malpractice suits. Administering medically unnecessary tests and procedures helps to insulate doctors and hospitals from the potential wrath of patients or their families when inevitable accidents occur in medical treatment or when treatments just do not work.

As someone who worked in the healthcare field, I can attest to the gross misuse of Medicaid and Medicare and the fact that said misuse directly affects the costs for the rest of us. We have to pick up the tab. People use these two programs for BS reason. They aren't used for emergencies or necessary treatments... they're overused for BS doctor's visits that the rest of us have to pay for while we struggle to pay for our own medical care as well.

It's ridiculous. Socialized healthcare is not the answer... it's the problem.

 

[Hatuey]

Part of "what has happened to the country" is that people have invested themselves in the 'entitlement" mindset - that they are entitled to not have to pay for their health care (the relevant example) and that if they dont have insurance, or their insurance doesnt cover something, the government should take care of it.

I think anybody who served his country like easy's friend is actually entitled to help from this goverment. If his friend was some 2 bit bum who never worked a day in his life, I wouldn't give a **** but anybody who has served this country is owed a great deal.

 

[ARealConservative]

I think anybody who served his country like easy's friend is actually entitled to help from this goverment. If his friend was some 2 bit bum who never worked a day in his life, I wouldn't give a **** but anybody who has served this country is owed a great deal.

Sounds like we have a volunteer for charitable assistance.

 

[EAGLE1]

Wow ive seen this somewhere before.

Taxes too high? Blame the illegals. Cant get medical treatment you need? Blame the illegals. Crime on the increase? Blame the illegals. Pregnant Teenagers on the increase? Blame the illegals. Latte's not as frothy as they used to be? Blame the illegals. :rofl

 

[Hatuey]

Sounds like we have a volunteer for charitable assistance.

I've sent money to HHV and have sent 5 food packages on behalf of my company to USVetsinc. It's my way of saying thanks. Funny a liberal who unlike your fellow conservatives believes the government should help out the men who fought and served for their country. :2wave: . If you'd like to do the same here you go :

Help Hospitalized Veterans

https://www.usvetsinc.org/how_help/

 

[Just Me 2]

I understand your frustration and feel for your friend and his wife. I know it seems really loop sided and i agree that the Illegals do milk our system dry which leaves not much left of for the US Citizens that really need it. This issues is NOT a conservative or liberal issue, it is an issue of where our tax dollars go. Now EVERY senator and congressman has taken tax payers dollars and spent it on crap we know this and this is where a lot of our money goes to non-sense projects. I know none of this helps your friend and I wish I had the answer.

 

[Willow]

Sorry but I disagree. If your friend wanted to have the retirement benefits of the military (like medical insurance) then he should have stayed in the military. Literally millions of people have been in the military for short stints, it's not economically feasible to pay those who did not reenlist and make a carreer out of the military, the benefits that come from having a military carreer.
Your friend could very simply solve his medical insurance problems though by reenlisting and staying in for the full twenty years to retirement.

 

[EAGLE1]

Sorry but I disagree. If your friend wanted to have the retirement benefits of the military (like medical insurance) then he should have stayed in the military. Literally millions of people have been in the military for short stints, it's not economically feasible to pay those who did not reenlist and make a carreer out of the military, the benefits that come from having a military carreer.
Your friend could very simply solve his medical insurance problems though by reenlisting and staying in for the full twenty years to retirement.

Why on earth would he do that when he can always just blame the illegals for his troubles?

 

[jfuh]

Wow ive seen this somewhere before.

Taxes too high? Blame the illegals. Cant get medical treatment you need? Blame the illegals. Crime on the increase? Blame the illegals. Pregnant Teenagers on the increase? Blame the illegals. Latte's not as frothy as they used to be? Blame the illegals.

Fair enough, but with one problem, what are we blaming on illegals in this thread?