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WTC7, The 2.25 seconds, what caused it?

Occam's Razor said:
OMG... LMAO... everyone is so hypersensitive....

The poster's name you referenced was "Major Tom". As in, "this is ground control to Major Tom..." space oddity. Bowie... Space cadet... Yeah

Earlier some dork who calls himself fearandloathing, with a picture of Hunter Thompson got offended when I lightly Jed he shod take the ether soaked rags from under the floor mats and he might understand wht I was saying.
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Ah, well played sir.

Haven't seen a Bowie reference in a long time.

Mea Culpa.
 
Fledermaus said:
So, another non-answer by stundie.
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I gave you the answers, I can't help you if you cant work it out...lol
Fledermaus said:
And the experts would be ASCE, NIST, CTBUH, etc.
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Could you provide quotes please from all of them except the NIST.

The NIST are disqualified from your list of experts seeing as they are the authors, that would be like me claiming that experts agree with Dr Jones, then when you ask me to name the experts, I say Dr Jones.

So quotes from experts at ASCE and CTBUH please? lol
 
stundie said:
I gave you the answers, I can't help you if you cant work it out...lol
Could you provide quotes please from all of them except the NIST.

The NIST are disqualified from your list of experts seeing as they are the authors, that would be like me claiming that experts agree with Dr Jones, then when you ask me to name the experts, I say Dr Jones.

So quotes from experts at ASCE and CTBUH please? lol
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Intentional ignorance noted.

The CTBUH letter has been posted, and ignored.

So, more SBS.
 
Fledermaus said:
Intentional ignorance noted.

The CTBUH letter has been posted, and ignored.

So, more SBS.
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You mean this one??

The Council does not agree with the NIST statement that the failure was a result of the buckling of Column 79. We believe that the failure was a result of the collapse of the floor structure that led to loss of lateral restraint and subsequent buckling of internal columns.

http://www.ctbuh.org/Portals/0/People/WorkingGroups/Fire&Safety/CTBUH_NISTwtc7_ DraftReport.pdf
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You are going to have to do better than this I'm afraid, you said experts at the NIST (Who are the authors and therefore bias and invalid!), ASCE and CTBUH all agree it's fire, so could you quote me these experts?
 
stundie said:
You mean this one??



You are going to have to do better than this I'm afraid, you said experts at the NIST (Who are the authors and therefore bias and invalid!), ASCE and CTBUH all agree it's fire, so could you quote me these experts?
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Lie by omission.

Post the entire letter.
 
Fledermaus said:
Lie by omission.

Post the entire letter.
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I can't, there's a 5000 word limit and they don't exactly agree with the NIST report.

So what about these experts?? lol
 
Fledermaus said:
Intentional lie by omission.

The letter can be broken into portions.
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Why don't you post the portions which prove what you claim and more importantly....

Where are the experts from ASCE? lol

Are you peddling low level street hood BS, as gospel...yet again?? :roll: lol
 
Fledermaus said:
So. Intentional lying by omission by stundie it is.
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I'm not the one who claimed I had experts......:shock:

It was your claim.

Back it up, don't complain if what I post doesn't back up your claim, do it yourself......lol

It would really move threads forward if you wiped the snot from your nose, dried your tiny tears and actually posted evidence to support your initial claim.
 
stundie said:
I'm not the one who claimed I had experts......:shock:

It was your claim.

Back it up, don't complain if what I post doesn't back up your claim, do it yourself......lol

It would really move threads forward if you wiped the snot from your nose, dried your tiny tears and actually posted evidence to support your initial claim.
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Look. More SBS.

SBS - "Post more information that will be ignored "
 
Fledermaus said:
Look. More SBS.

SBS - "Post more information that will be ignored "
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So what you are saying is that when you claimed this.....
According to the experts it was a fire.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...c7-2-25-seconds-caused-19.html#post1064757666
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I have to look for the evidence for your claims because you don't seem to have none.......lol

It's just like when you claimed the firefighter didn't fight any fires at WTC7 because of measurements......lol

You have this uncanny habit of making unsubstantiated claims.....lol
 
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stundie said:
So what you are saying is that when you claimed this.....

I have to look for the evidence for your claims because you don't seem to have none.......lol

It's just like when you claimed the firefighter didn't fight any fires at WTC7 because of measurements......lol

You have this uncanny habit of making unsubstantiated claims.....lol
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Intentionally misstating others.

Add that to the lie of omission.

Add to that ad-homs...

A stundie hat trick.
 
Fledermaus said:
Intentionally misstating others.

Add that to the lie of omission.

Add to that ad-homs...

A stundie hat trick.
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So you think I am suppose to provide evidence for your claims?

Any chance of providing evidence for your claim?? "According to the experts it was a fire."

Or does lying and making false claims, actually make you proud? lol
 
stundie said:
So you think I am suppose to provide evidence for your claims?

Any chance of providing evidence for your claim?? "According to the experts it was a fire."

Or does lying and making false claims, actually make you proud? lol
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"The lessons learned from this tragedy can help improve the ability of buildings to resist more routine fires," said Jeremy Isenberg, Ph.D., P.E., president of ASCE's Structural Engineering Institute. "Instead of revising building codes to address extreme events such as the impact of a large jet airliner, resources should be focused on improving fire-resistance methods for the conditions more likely to affect the types of buildings where most of us live and work. For extreme situations, it is best to direct resources toward preventing the attack."
Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse: ASCE Comments on NIST WTC Report Recommendations

Looks like AIA concurs
http://nistreview.org/aiawtcresponse.pdf

CTBUH
http://www.ctbuh.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=+Yb7cly6880=&tabid=2684&language=en-US

The Council would like to make it clear that it sees no credibility whatsoever in
the 911 ‘truth movement’ and we believe, with the vast majority of tall building
professionals, that all the failures at the WTC (WTC 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7) were a
direct or indirect result of the planes that were flown into the two towers. We
have carefully looked at the evidence that the 911 ‘truth movement’ presents
and we cannot see any credible scientific evidence of a controlled demolition
on WTC 7 or any of the other WTC buildings. The Council considers that the
‘truth movement’ is a distraction and should not obfuscate the performance
issues which should be at the center of the debate about how best to continue
to improve and develop fire and life safety in tall buildings.
http://www.ctbuh.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=+Yb7cly6880=&tabid=2684&language=en-US

These guys
Login - Fire Engineering
 
Fledermaus said:
"The lessons learned from this tragedy can help improve the ability of buildings to resist more routine fires," said Jeremy Isenberg, Ph.D., P.E., president of ASCE's Structural Engineering Institute. "Instead of revising building codes to address extreme events such as the impact of a large jet airliner, resources should be focused on improving fire-resistance methods for the conditions more likely to affect the types of buildings where most of us live and work. For extreme situations, it is best to direct resources toward preventing the attack."
Civil & Structural Engineers on WTC Collapse: ASCE Comments on NIST WTC Report Recommendations
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So that's one expert?? lol

You said expert(s)?? lol
Fledermaus said:
Looks like AIA concurs
http://nistreview.org/aiawtcresponse.pdf
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Sorry what was the name of the expert(s)??
Fledermaus said:
CTBUH
http://www.ctbuh.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=+Yb7cly6880=&tabid=2684&language=en-US

The Council would like to make it clear that it sees no credibility whatsoever in
the 911 ‘truth movement’ and we believe, with the vast majority of tall building
professionals, that all the failures at the WTC (WTC 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7) were a
direct or indirect result of the planes that were flown into the two towers. We
have carefully looked at the evidence that the 911 ‘truth movement’ presents
and we cannot see any credible scientific evidence of a controlled demolition
on WTC 7 or any of the other WTC buildings. The Council considers that the
‘truth movement’ is a distraction and should not obfuscate the performance
issues which should be at the center of the debate about how best to continue
to improve and develop fire and life safety in tall buildings.
http://www.ctbuh.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=+Yb7cly6880=&tabid=2684&language=en-US
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Well this doesn't back up your original claim, they thin it was....and I quote...."were a direct or indirect result of the planes that were flown into the two towers."

They mention nothing about fires in the part you've quoted.
Fledermaus said:
These guys
Login - Fire Engineering
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Sorry but you need to log in, could you quote and point to these experts??

This really is a poor post, although I find it funny that you claimed that... "According to the experts it was a fire."

When all you have is 1 expert, and a bunch of links which don't appear to pertain to what you have claimed.

What a rubbish post and more importantly, a claim which you've not been able to substantiate.....lol
 
stundie said:
So that's one expert?? lol

You said expert(s)?? lol
Sorry what was the name of the expert(s)??
Well this doesn't back up your original claim, they thin it was....and I quote...."were a direct or indirect result of the planes that were flown into the two towers."

They mention nothing about fires in the part you've quoted.
Sorry but you need to log in, could you quote and point to these experts??

This really is a poor post, although I find it funny that you claimed that... "According to the experts it was a fire."

When all you have is 1 expert, and a bunch of links which don't appear to pertain to what you have claimed.

What a rubbish post and more importantly, a claim which you've not been able to substantiate.....lol
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Intentional ignorance noted.

You CANNOT have read all the links and gleaned their content.
 
Fledermaus said:
Intentional ignorance noted.

You CANNOT have read all the links and gleaned their content.
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I couldn't read the links of the one which you have to subscribe, but I thought you would have quotes a plenty from experts who agree it was fire, so far, you've posted one and stuff which doesn't appear to support what you believe.....lol
 
stundie said:
I couldn't read the links of the one which you have to subscribe, but I thought you would have quotes a plenty from experts who agree it was fire, so far, you've posted one and stuff which doesn't appear to support what you believe.....lol
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I can't fix your intentional ignorance.

If you cannot understand ASCEs stand by now you are intentionally ignorant.

If you cannot understand CTBUHs stand by now you are intentionally ignorant.

Ditto Perdue, university of Beijing, university of Sydney, etc.

Ditto the NYPD, FBI, FEMA, NIST, etc.
 
Fledermaus said:
I can't fix your intentional ignorance.

If you cannot understand ASCEs stand by now you are intentionally ignorant.

If you cannot understand CTBUHs stand by now you are intentionally ignorant.

Ditto Perdue, university of Beijing, university of Sydney, etc.

Ditto the NYPD, FBI, FEMA, NIST, etc.
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You said experts.....I expect names and quotes, but then again, this is you, so I don't know why I raised my expectation so high. lol
 
Fledermaus said:
stundie,

WTC7.

Thermite?

Nano-thermite?

Termites?

Mini-nukes?

Explosives?
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Termites did it, it's the only possible explanation. Now where is my animation of that airplane running through the steel pole?
 
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