WSJ-Trump Isn’t Perfect, but He’s the Better Choice

[Captain Adverse]

Which might be the deciding factor in people voting for Harris although its against the best interest of America.

IMO, it's not in the best interest of America to have a man of stunningly low character as our President. Character matters.

(And so does competency, which is why Harris will not be getting my vote, either.)

You both honestly think Harris has better "character" than Trump? A woman who has slept her way into prior office? Who may be lying about her race? A woman who has no idea of any clear policy, and can't articulate her goals should she obtain the office?

Please explain why you think Trump has less character when while holding office he did his best to try to keep the promises he made when running for office?

 

[NatMorton]

So, you're stuck. Bring out the gaslighting card.


Cool screenshot.

So, Nat. Are you still sticking with the "Putin is scared of Trump, which is why he didn't invade Ukraine under his watch" story? It's a simple yes or no question.

It's not a yes or no question because I was never stuck on that to begin with. You're not so good at building strawmen, either.

 

[NatMorton]

So? There could've been a million reasons why Putin didn't invade during the Trump Admin. You cannot seriously argue Putin was afraid of Trump's potential response and not Biden's.

I am saying it's possible. Biden unquestionably showed weakness when he pulled us out of Afghanistan the way he did, leaving behind billions of dollars of military equipment, locals who supported us while we were there and, worst of all, American citizens. What may have kept Putin a bay during the Trump administration is one simple fact about Trump: he is unpredictable.

 

[NatMorton]

You both honestly think Harris has better "character" than Trump? A woman who has slept her way into prior office? Who may be lying about her race? A woman who has no idea of any clear policy, and can't articulate her goals should she obtain the office?

Please explain why you think Trump has less character when while holding office he did his best to try to keep the promises he made when running for office?

Yes, I think Harris has better character than Trump, and I don't think it's even close.

Please don't confuse that with me saying Harris is someone of high character. I would put her at slightly-worse-than-average for a DC politician.

 

[NolanVoyd]

"If you like his policies but are put off by his tone or his excesses, consider the cost of the past four years."​

It does come down to your wallet. Not what the bean counters say is in your wallet, but what reality represents in your household.

Most people I know would honestly answer they have less disposable income today than they did in 2020

As the WSJ article from Niki Haley points out most Americans have $13,000 in higher annual cost than 4 years ago.

In another article from Investopedia titled "Most Americans Feel They're Worse Off Now Than In 2020—Here's What The Data Says"

They list 3 Key takeaways HERE



But there is more to consider than the economy such as National Security which polls show Americans trust Trump more than Harris to represent America's best interest.

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https://www.wsj.com/opinion/trump-isnt-perfect-but-hes-the-better-choice-says-nikki-haley-presidential-election-b343f6ab?st=U6eyjf

The last four years the US economy has done very well.

Facts matter.

The envy of the world | Oct 19th 2024 | The Economist

The envy of the world. Special reports from The Economist. You've seen the news, now discover the story.

www.economist.com

 

[VySky]

The last four years the US economy has done very well.

Facts matter.

The envy of the world | Oct 19th 2024 | The Economist

The envy of the world. Special reports from The Economist. You've seen the news, now discover the story.

www.economist.com

Not according to the reality the majority of Americans experience.

Again, bean counters data does not directly correlate to prosperity in American homes.

Polling tells us that.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Not according to the reality the majority of Americans experience.

Yes according to the REALITY,, the facts, not according to those that have been duped by right wing media and Republican talking points.

Read the proof.

Again, bean counters data does not directly correlate to prosperity in American homes.

yes it does. That is precisely what they count. Among other things.

Polling tells us that.

Polling tells people's opinions, not actual facts, people that listen to right wing media and believe the sytematic lies they are told have opinions based on lies not facts.

Look at the actual facts. Don't be so easily conned.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

It was a peaceful annexation -not a shot fired

Huh. My definition of peaceful isn't a massively larger nation using its military and overwhelming force to invade and occupy territory of another nation.

I'd consider like...the US purchase of Alaska as a peaceful annexation.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Yes, I think Harris has better character than Trump, and I don't think it's even close.

Please don't confuse that with me saying Harris is someone of high character. I would put her at slightly-worse-than-average for a DC politician.

That does not "articulate" how you came to this belief.

Everything she says is either a platitude, a self-serving comment, or a flat out lie. That is, when she doesn't stumble (quite frequently) when presented with a question or issue about what she actually stands for. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. She is an empty suit, with her Democrat handlers thinking they have her under control. But because she is actually lacking in any positive attributes, she thinks she has something to prove. IMO that means if once she gets the highest office, she will seek to buck off her handlers to push all that Leftist policy she claims she's left behind her.

While Trump likes to toot his horn (he's a real estate salesman, it comes with the territory) at least he is a known factor, and he typically means what he says when it comes to his policies.

I personally like him and what he is trying to do. But I understand some who question him, like you do. Thus, I don't see him as a "lesser of two evils." Having said that, I can't see how YOU think Harris is.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Everything she says is either a platitude, a self-serving comment, or a flat out lie.

That is false.

That is Fox news and right wing media's characterization of her. You should actually listen to her, speeches, etc, in their entirety, not the right wing media characterization of her.

They systematically lie to you.

Don't be so easily conned.

 

[VySky]

Look at the actual facts. Don't be so easily conned.

I see... The floggings will continue until morale improves.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I see... The floggings will continue until morale improves.

Huh?

What are you talking about now?

 

[NatMorton]

That does not "articulate" how you came to this belief.

Everything she says is either a platitude, a self-serving comment, or a flat out lie. That is, when she doesn't stumble (quite frequently) when presented with a question or issue about what she actually stands for. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. She is an empty suit, with her Democrat handlers thinking they have her under control. But because she is actually lacking in any positive attributes, she thinks she has something to prove. IMO that means if once she gets the highest office, she will seek to buck off her handlers to push all that Leftist policy she claims she's left behind her.

While Trump likes to toot his horn (he's a real estate salesman, it comes with the territory) at least he is a known factor, and he typically means what he says when it comes to his policies.

I personally like him and what he is trying to do. But I understand some who question him, like you do. Thus, I don't see him as a "lesser of two evils." Having said that, I can't see how YOU think Harris is.

Trump's lies in the wake of the 2020 election -- and the damage they caused -- tower over any of the BS coming from Harris. Trump is, in a word, reckless.

 

[CaughtInThe]

"If you like his policies but are put off by his tone or his excesses, consider the cost of the past four years."​

It does come down to your wallet. Not what the bean counters say is in your wallet, but what reality represents in your household.

Most people I know would honestly answer they have less disposable income today than they did in 2020

As the WSJ article from Niki Haley points out most Americans have $13,000 in higher annual cost than 4 years ago.

In another article from Investopedia titled "Most Americans Feel They're Worse Off Now Than In 2020—Here's What The Data Says"

They list 3 Key takeaways HERE



But there is more to consider than the economy such as National Security which polls show Americans trust Trump more than Harris to represent America's best interest.

======================================

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/trump-isnt-perfect-but-hes-the-better-choice-says-nikki-haley-presidential-election-b343f6ab?st=U6eyjf

 

[Nomad4Ever]

yes it does. That is precisely what they count. Among other things.

No, it isn't.

They are counting things they think are either correlated to or indicative of prosperity.

The problem is you can measure GDP per capita and employment and inflation all you want, but even in the best case scenario unless you get extremely granular you are only producing averages.

So for example, just because wages have kept pace with inflation overall, that doesn't mean the wages of loggers specifically have increased and loggers could be really struggling. Big important numbers like inflation don't include things like RENT!!! So you can have a situation where your bean counters are saying wages are rising faster than inflation...but housing costs are rising way faster than inflation and people actually have much LESS disposable income than they used to.

Or maybe wages and GDP per capita are rising on average...but the top 50% are rising and the bottom 50% are actually getting poorer.

For example...did you know wealth inequality between White and Black Americans has INCREASED since 1970?

Bean counting is best used at comparing different countries to each other. But understanding how well individuals are doing inside of an economy is much more complex.

 

[NolanVoyd]

No, it isn't.

Of course it is. Do you think they are idiots?

They are counting things they think are either correlated to or indicative of prosperity.

The problem is you can measure GDP per capita and employment and inflation all you want, but even in the best case scenario unless you get extremely granular you are only producing averages.

The American economy is performing great for the average American.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Trump's lies in the wake of the 2020 election -- and the damage they caused -- tower over any of the BS coming from Harris. Trump is, in a word, reckless.

Well, one has to agree that he "lied" in the "wake of the 2020 election."

Many of us had serious doubts about that election. Mainly because of the shift to mass-mail voting. Some of us still do.

But I can understand if you feel the way you do.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

You both honestly think Harris has better "character" than Trump? A woman who has slept her way into prior office? Who may be lying about her race?

Source on her sleeping her way into office? lol

And what do you even mean "may be lying" about her race? This isn't even a debate. Her racial background and heritage is publicly available information and anyone questioning it is just choosing to race bait.

But even assuming all that was true obviously Trump would have a worse character than Harris. Trump cheated on multiple wives and with porn stars. Trump has been found guilty rape in court. Epstein was Trump's best friend and Trump publicly said that "Epstein loves girls especially on the younger side"...he obviously knew he was a pedophile. You guys are always talking about unsealing the Epstein documents...well they unsealed some and there were graphic descriptions and testimonies of Trump raping multiple underage girls. We are talking about "when you are famous they let you do it" Trump. We are talking about a person that ran beauty pageants that were mostly minors and has talked about sneaking into the dressing room.

I could keep going with claims that individually should disqualify him until I hit the word limit. How could you possibly think Trump is of better character than Harris? Did she murder someone or something? I can't think of anything else that would make her worse.

 

[j brown's body]

Well, one has to agree that he "lied" in the "wake of the 2020 election."

Many of us had serious doubts about that election. Mainly because of the shift to mass-mail voting. Some of us still do.

But I can understand if you feel the way you do.

Thanks for the reply.

Some evidence would help your argument.

 

[j brown's body]

Trump's lies in the wake of the 2020 election -- and the damage they caused -- tower over any of the BS coming from Harris. Trump is, in a word, reckless.

Psychotically so.

 

[NatMorton]

Well, one has to agree that he "lied" in the "wake of the 2020 election."

Many of us had serious doubts about that election. Mainly because of the shift to mass-mail voting. Some of us still do.

But I can understand if you feel the way you do.

Thanks for the reply.

We can't always agree.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Of course it is. Do you think they are idiots?

The American economy is performing great for the average American.

No, I think people that interpret the data incorrectly and cannot understand what "average" means are idiots.

How do you respond to the fact that the wealth gap between Black and White Americans has GROWN since 1970? Can you see how they might not feel like the economy is doing too great as they fall further behind? Would you tell them "well it's getting better on average!" which in this case just means it is getting better for the 20% majority White Americans?

 

[j brown's body]

Not according to the reality the majority of Americans experience.

Again, bean counters data does not directly correlate to prosperity in American homes.

Polling tells us that.

Interestingly, polls have shown that most people feel they are doing okay, but hear that most other people aren't. So we have a war between facts and perceptions.

I'll go with facts.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Interesting Niki makes a connection between the Biden-Harris Afghanistan debacle to Russia suddenly having to the stones to invade Ukraine.

That's quite the reach. i thought Russia would have questioned the US' resolve when the Trump administration did nothing to the Taliban when they went against the terms of the deal and started attacking the very government they were supposed to share power with.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Well, one has to agree that he "lied" in the "wake of the 2020 election."

Why did you put lied in quotes?

He wasn't just wrong. We have hard, black and white proof that Trump KNEW for a fact that he lost and intentionally tried to mislead the public as a ploy to maintain power.