Wow trump is so tough on China Wow!!!

[snakestretcher]

It very well may be a case of short term pain for long term gain.

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How short; a month, a year?

 

[jnug]

It very well may be a case of short term pain for long term gain.

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There is nothing to be gained from tariffs wars, a fact established over 100 years ago. There is just pain.

 

[Threegoofs]

There is nothing to be gained from tariffs wars, a fact established over 100 years ago. There is just pain.

And it’s quite clear that the effects of the tariffs are exactly what was expected by the critics:

 

[trouble13]

How short; a month, a year?

Maybe, your question is unanswerable

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[trouble13]

There is nothing to be gained from tariffs wars, a fact established over 100 years ago. There is just pain.

Do you believe china uses unfair trade practices?

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[Amelia]

If Trump had an ounce of principle, and did anything to inspire confidence that he had a plan and wasn't just falling back on tariffs in a one-trick pony manner, then there might be reason to get behind the extreme pressure he is putting on China.

But he doesn't even know we have a surplus with Canada -- lies and says it's a deficit and imposes tariffs on them. Gets his feelings hurt by Trudeau making a perfectly natural statement for a country's leader to make, and puts more tariffs on them.

He says China is paying the tariffs here, when it's American importers (and then us) who are paying them.

Trump insults our allies and cozies up to dictators.

He's known as someone who likes to come into a situation where a plan is finalized or nearly finalized and turn it up on its end, make a few irrelevant changes, and then claim credit for the plan on the grounds that his modifications were vital.

He "thrives" on chaos -- people keep saying about him.

There's simply nothing reassuring about his two years performance as president, or the things many of us are finally learning about his business ventures which we should have learned before he was elected. There is no reason to think that this is just the pain before the gain.

It is feasible that to rein China in and protect our interests a "first pain, and then gain" strategy could work ... but there is no reason for confidence that Trump's very painful approach falls into that category.

And there were other less painful alternatives he could have taken if he were serious about progress, options which could have solidified the boom he wants to get credit for instead of giving us the negative markets of 2018 and our current market dive, options which would have been a bird in the hand approach instead of his "I see two birds in the bush over there -- pass me the dynamite" approach.

 

[plutonium]

Dont buy Chinese made products and you will be fine

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isnt that a Chinese phone you using!!!

 

[jnug]

If Trump had an ounce of principle, and did anything to inspire confidence that he had a plan and wasn't just falling back on tariffs in a one-trick pony manner, then there might be reason to get behind the extreme pressure he is putting on China.

But he doesn't even know we have a surplus with Canada -- lies and says it's a deficit and imposes tariffs on them. Gets his feelings hurt by Trudeau making a perfectly natural statement for a country's leader to make, and puts more tariffs on them.

He says China is paying the tariffs here, when it's American importers (and then us) who are paying them.

Trump insults our allies and cozies up to dictators.

He's known as someone who likes to come into a situation where a plan is finalized or nearly finalized and turn it up on its end, make a few irrelevant changes, and then claim credit for the plan on the grounds that his modifications were vital.

He "thrives" on chaos -- people keep saying about him.

There's simply nothing reassuring about his two years performance as president, or the things many of us are finally learning about his business ventures which we should have learned before he was elected. There is no reason to think that this is just the pain before the gain.

It is feasible that to rein China in and protect our interests a "first pain, and then gain" strategy could work ... but there is no reason for confidence that Trump's very painful approach falls into that category.

And there were other less painful alternatives he could have taken if he were serious about progress, options which could have solidified the boom he wants to get credit for instead of giving us the negative markets of 2018 and our current market dive, options which would have been a bird in the hand approach instead of his "I see two birds in the bush over there -- pass me the dynamite" approach.

Agreed!

I know that if I were still an active business exec this nonsense would be driving my company crazy. Probably driving the Strategic that eventually bought us crazy now! More tariffs, delayed tariffs, maybe more tariffs.....ENOUGH ALREADY. No way to run a business and people who know how to run a business are likely losing their minds.

 

[trouble13]

isnt that a Chinese phone you using!!!

Im not the one complaining about the tariffs.

I will happily purchase American made phones if they begin making some. I rather pay a little more for a domestic product that stregthens our economy and employs my neighbors rather than prop up another country's economy.

The reality is that politicans have not protecting our manufacturing sector and the longer it continues the deeper the hole we are in gets. I also would not object to investing in south america.

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[Lord of Planar]

Im not the one complaining about the tariffs.

I will happily purchase American made phones if they begin making some. I rather pay a little more for a domestic product that stregthens our economy and employs my neighbors rather than prop up another country's economy.

The reality is that politicans have not protecting our manufacturing sector and the longer it continues the deeper the hole we are in gets. I also would not object to investing in south america.

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Yep.

We no longer make thinks like that because free trade allows corporations to use cheaper labor, then employing USA woprkers.

Then the left has the audacity to complain about wages.

Go figure.

 

[HumblePi]

Yes Mr. Trump is real tuff on china more than Obama and Clinton Etc from 10 percent to 25 percent tariff wow...only one little thing folks!!!! we are going to pay for it, not china but im sure you smart trump supporters already new that!!!! approx 750.00 extra per year for a median family. lets see how many jobs are lost or made now!!!

Walmart says higher tariffs on China goods will increase prices for U.S. shoppers
Walmart said the company will also try to obtain products from different countries and work with suppliers to blunt the impact of higher tariffs. Walmart says higher tariffs on China goods will increase prices for U.S. shoppers

 

[HumblePi]

Yep.

We no longer make thinks like that because free trade allows corporations to use cheaper labor, then employing USA woprkers.

Then the left has the audacity to complain about wages.

Go figure.

People cannot live on one job at minimum wage.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Walmart says higher tariffs on China goods will increase prices for U.S. shoppers
Walmart said the company will also try to obtain products from different countries and work with suppliers to blunt the impact of higher tariffs. Walmart says higher tariffs on China goods will increase prices for U.S. shoppers

Yes, it will.

President Clinton sold this nation out with free trade. We have had dwindling wages vs. food and housing because of him. It will be painful to correct, but for the sake of our children, we must.

 

[Lord of Planar]

People cannot live on one job at minimum wage.

Duh...

Always been that way. Why does anyone think a minimum wage job should be a living wage? If we changed the supply and demand of labor in the USA, there will be for less minimum wage jobs in the mix. More above minimum wage jobs. Manufacturing has always been well above minimum wage in the past. We have lost so many manufacturing jobs since president Clinton, and we need to return them.

 

[jnug]

Yes, it will.

President Clinton sold this nation out with free trade. We have had dwindling wages vs. food and housing because of him. It will be painful to correct, but for the sake of our children, we must.

Agreed and partially because of Bill Clinton but not for the reasons suggested.

Attempting to bring back jobs that will be obsoleted by automation in less than a generation is not an answer. Its a band-aid of false promise which when ripped off will be as painful as the would itself. We have not retrained our skilled labor force to be a 21st century skilled labor force. We have avoided doing it for 25 years anyway. We have in many ways not even a 20th century skilled labor force but a 19th Century skilled labor force. Anybody that thinks we can compete under those circumstances is just pissing into the breeze.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Agreed and partially because of Bill Clinton but not for the reasons suggested.

Attempting to bring back jobs that will be obsoleted by automation in less than a generation is not an answer. Its a band-aid of false promise which when ripped off will be as painful as the would itself. We have not retrained our skilled labor force to be a 21st century skilled labor force. We have avoided doing it for 25 years anyway. We have in many ways not even a 20th century skilled labor force but a 19th Century skilled labor force. Anybody that thinks we can compete under those circumstances is just pissing into the breeze.

Automation is not a problem. It allows for cheaper goods and a better standard of living when the money stays here, it is spent on more desired products. Automation for USA manufacturing is what gives us cheaper products without exporting jobs.

 

[HumblePi]

Duh...

Always been that way. Why does anyone think a minimum wage job should be a living wage? If we changed the supply and demand of labor in the USA, there will be for less minimum wage jobs in the mix. More above minimum wage jobs. Manufacturing has always been well above minimum wage in the past. We have lost so many manufacturing jobs since president Clinton, and we need to return them.

No, I disagree. it has not always been that way. I was a stay at home mother with 2 kids and we were able to buy a home. My husband is a machinist and yes, he worked long hours and six days a week but we still managed to pay our bills and take a 2 week vacation each summer. That's not at all how it is today. Food prices have gone up at least 10-15% by my own estimation. Gas is $3.00 a gallon and health insurance for a family of 4 can cose $1700 a month with an $8,000 annual deductible.

 

[Lord of Planar]

No, I disagree. it has not always been that way. I was a stay at home mother with 2 kids and we were able to buy a home. My husband is a machinist and yes, he worked long hours and six days a week but we still managed to pay our bills and take a 2 week vacation each summer. That's not at all how it is today. Food prices have gone up at least 10-15% by my own estimation. Gas is $3.00 a gallon and health insurance for a family of 4 can cose $1700 a month with an $8,000 annual deductible.

Well, I suspect you aren't old enough to remember better times.

 

[HumblePi]

Well, I suspect you aren't old enough to remember better times.

I grew up in the 50's. Does that qualify as being 'old enough' to remember better times? I think it does.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I grew up in the 50's. Does that qualify as being 'old enough' to remember better times? I think it does.

Well, I have seen nothing but the devastation of our good paying manufacturing jobs. We have only a minimal amount left, most of which haven't yet been cheaper to export. We need to reverse the trend and bring manufacturing jobs back. It will be painful, but is necessary.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Well, I have seen nothing but the devastation of our good paying manufacturing jobs. We have only a minimal amount left, most of which haven't yet been cheaper to export. We need to reverse the trend and bring manufacturing jobs back. It will be painful, but is necessary.

And if it is impossible?

 

[Lord of Planar]

And if it is impossible?

Then the USA will die as we know it.

 

[HumblePi]

Well, I have seen nothing but the devastation of our good paying manufacturing jobs. We have only a minimal amount left, most of which haven't yet been cheaper to export. We need to reverse the trend and bring manufacturing jobs back. It will be painful, but is necessary.

How do you suggest we do that?

 

[jnug]

Automation is not a problem. It allows for cheaper goods and a better standard of living when the money stays here, it is spent on more desired products. Automation for USA manufacturing is what gives us cheaper products without exporting jobs.

Automation is not a problem....Correct. Pretending you are bringing back jobs when the jobs you are bringing back will be automated out of existence in half a generation IS a problem. We need boatloads of 21st century skilled labor and dingy loads of 19th century skilled labor.

We have too much of the 19th Century variety and protect it as if it will ever again provide high value labor salaries and too little of the 21 Century variety and no real way for people to get to those jobs. This is not complicated stuff. We are paying for 25 years of idle nonsense.

Worse, we have a President and policy makers that revel in the idle nonsense and are trying to convince the sheep that follow them that those 19th century skilled labor jobs are the doorway to some promised land.....absurd!

 

[trouble13]

Yep.

We no longer make thinks like that because free trade allows corporations to use cheaper labor, then employing USA woprkers.

Then the left has the audacity to complain about wages.

Go figure.

They also complain about pollition while they finacially support the world largest polliters

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