would you vote to repeal the 2nd ammendment

[OpportunityCost]

Only well regulated militia is expressly declared in the first clause not the whole and entire People which would include the unorganized militia. You have nothing but right wing propaganda.

The first clause is dependent upon the clause mentioning the people and the right is expressed to the people, not the militia.

 

[OpportunityCost]

The first clause is declaratory and includes the term Necessary not the second clause. You have nothing but hearsay and soothsay which is typically, right wing propaganda.

So I augured up my post. Soothsay, lol.

 

[danielpalos]

The first clause is dependent upon the clause mentioning the people and the right is expressed to the people, not the militia.

lol. You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law. The People are the Militia; you are either well regulated and organized or unorganized.

 

[danielpalos]

So I augured up my post. Soothsay, lol.

lol...too bad the stars were not in alignment.

 

[OpportunityCost]

lol. You have no idea what you are talking about. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law. The People are the Militia; you are either well regulated and organized or unorganized.

Except that is not in way, shape, or form how the 2nd was intended to work or how it does work. The ignorance is how you are applying meanings to words that are not the meanings of those words.

 

[danielpalos]

Except that is not in way, shape, or form how the 2nd was intended to work or how it does work. The ignorance is how you are applying meanings to words that are not the meanings of those words.

Only the right wing may believe our Second Article of Amendment is a Constitution unto itself.

 

[ataraxia]

A few of the Democratic ones are running for President. A few more are in Congress. Lets not pretend that those that want this are radical and extreme on the gun ban issue, they are a minority but not seen as radical or extreme.

Who is it stating they want no gun regulation at all? I would care to see some examples.

That's an odd question. All these posts here that claim any regulation is an infringement on the 2A. You don't have to believe me. Just ask them. Ask, for example, zimmer here if any regulations are OK with him. Go ahead. I challenge you.

 

[ataraxia]

Total gun confiscation from law abiding citizens is the goal...

Just as CommiCare healthcare is the goal.

Leftist like to chip away at our Liberties little by little... because proposing their idiocies outright would have them shock the electorate... and lose elections miserably.

Obama is not against the candidates and their ideas... he is warning them because he knows they are going for too big a bite at the Apple.. exposing the Left’s true aims.

Just look at how Warren tanked... because she revealed details about her idiocies.

Hi Zimmer,

Do you think ANY regulations or restrictions on firearms are OK, or are they ALL unconstitutional?

 

[AProudLefty]

Total gun confiscation from law abiding citizens is the goal...

You actually think that will ever happen? :lamo So you're suggesting that the right is too weak to fight? :lamo

BTW I support the First Amendment 100%. That means no laws.

 

[TurtleDude]

Only well regulated militia of the United States may not be Infringed when keeping and bear Arms for their State or the Union.

another bit of bot speak that has no relevance. The right of the people cannot b e infringed. Militias don't have rights

 

[TurtleDude]

Hi Zimmer,

Do you think ANY regulations or restrictions on firearms are OK, or are they ALL unconstitutional?

I don't believe any federal regulations are proper except for restrictions at federal facilities. State laws that regulate the use of firearms and some possession restrictions are valid

 

[danielpalos]

another bit of bot speak that has no relevance. The right of the people cannot b e infringed. Militias don't have rights

only the unorganized militia has no valid arguments and complains about gun control.

 

[TurtleDude]

only the unorganized militia has no valid arguments and complains about gun control.

you're lying. I complain about gun control all the time and I am not part of the unorganized militia due to my age. How about actually responding to posts rather than throwing out bot speak

 

[danielpalos]

you're lying. I complain about gun control all the time and I am not part of the unorganized militia due to my age. How about actually responding to posts rather than throwing out bot speak

i don't need to lie. i prefer to win my arguments not simply be a bigot.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[TurtleDude]

i don't need to lie. i prefer to win my arguments not simply be a bigot.

where is Mason's comments codified into the law of the land?

 

[danielpalos]

where is Mason's comments codified into the law of the land?

It is the Common understanding of the Common Law for the Common defense.

 

[TurtleDude]

It is the Common understanding of the Common Law for the Common defense.

nothing you have ever posted comes close to demonstrating you have any understanding of this subject

 

[Divine_Wind]

The poll is a resounding “No” vote. Currently 111 to 13, or 89.52% saying “No”.

The only people whining about it are the far Left Authoritarian anti-gun mob. LOL

 

[danielpalos]

nothing you have ever posted comes close to demonstrating you have any understanding of this subject

lol. nothing you have ever posted comes close to not being an appeal to ignorance.

 

[BahamaBob]

There seems to be a large number of posters on this site who lack understanding as to the meaning of the Second Amendment. Some think it pertains to hunting and protecting yourself from criminals. These items are a benefit of the Second Amendment but not the purpose. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect our freedom from tyrants. We are currently witnessing the effects of strict gun laws in China, Iran and Venezuela. Where they have very strict gun laws, only the tyrants have guns and are more than willing to use them.

I read an article a short time ago that explains the reason for the Second Amendment in a few sentences. China has the worlds largest army consisting of 3 million men. There are 70 million armed people in the United States.

In case you lack comprehensive skills, the meaning is plain and simple. We have enough power to protect ourselves from any tyrant.

In addition, anyone trying to remove any of our rights is a tyrant.

 

[Divine_Wind]

There seems to be a large number of posters on this site who lack understanding as to the meaning of the Second Amendment. Some think it pertains to hunting and protecting yourself from criminals. These items are a benefit of the Second Amendment but not the purpose. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect our freedom from tyrants. We are currently witnessing the effects of strict gun laws in China, Iran and Venezuela. Where they have very strict gun laws, only the tyrants have guns and are more than willing to use them.

I read an article a short time ago that explains the reason for the Second Amendment in a few sentences. China has the worlds largest army consisting of 3 million men. There are 70 million armed people in the United States.

In case you lack comprehensive skills, the meaning is plain and simple. We have enough power to protect ourselves from any tyrant.

In addition, anyone trying to remove any of our rights is a tyrant.

Agreed. Now the anti-gun mob will try to attack your statement that fighting the US military with semi-automatic rifles is a sure loser. Of course they miss not only the main point, but several lesser points, but they are desperate to convince people to ban guns.

 

[OpportunityCost]

That's an odd question. All these posts here that claim any regulation is an infringement on the 2A. You don't have to believe me. Just ask them. Ask, for example, zimmer here if any regulations are OK with him. Go ahead. I challenge you.

Is Zimmer a legislator? Is he political leadership? Is he running for the Presidential nomination?

Its not an odd question at all, its asking you to back up your claim.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Only the right wing may believe our Second Article of Amendment is a Constitution unto itself.

Language bot error, that sentence makes no sense.

 

[TurtleDude]

Language bot error, that sentence makes no sense.

This sort of sentence is typical and shows a rather strange mutation of the English language. Bot speak appears to be the cause but it makes no sense

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've been engaging with a poster that believes the 2a should be repealed. So, what say you? Would you vote to repeal the 2nd amendment? yes or no

I voted no, that does not mean I believe the 2nd A's. "shall not infringe" is either pragmatic nor was it meant to be as interpreted by the NRA and the firearm Industry.

I believe and I support all sane, sober and law abiding citizens to have the right to own, possess and have in their home or business a defensive firearm***

The only way to determine the sobriety, sanity and law abiding history of someone seeking to own, possess or to have legal access to a firearm is for a thorough background check, and a national data base which collects from all agencies wherein criminal and psychiatric records.

I support CC when there is a reasonable concern of a person seeking a license to carry a loaded firearm in public, said license needs to be provided after the County Sheriff and the city/town/village police chief has completed a thorough background check.

I believe each state should have the right to require (or not) all gun owners to be licensed by the State, and that license not be a legal document in any other state unless the state establishes an agreement with other states via the interstate compact.

I support that each individual state also have the right to require all firearms in the possession of its citizens to be registered in a data base, and all transfers of guns to be sold, gifted or stolen, be reported to the state data base for vetting or placed on a hot sheet.

*** a defensive firearm would be defined by the State Legislature in each state.