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Would you support gun control if someone close to YOU died in a mass shooting?

vegas giants said:
Which state is doing a good job already of enforcing its gun laws? If no one....then why?
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If states aren't doing a good job at enforcing its laws, including gun laws, than we need to work on better enforcement not making more laws.
 
And as for states that do a good job at enforcing their gun laws, Vermont does a good job.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If states aren't doing a good job at enforcing its laws, including gun laws, than we need to work on better enforcement not making more laws.
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But why aren't they doing that? Think about it for a minute. Some states are completely controlled by the GOP so you can't blame the democrats. Think why no one is really doing this already
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Just saying, I don't know if I can ever remember a parent or spouse or child of a mass shooting victim ever speak out in support of guns after the fact. Not even one. In fact they seem to be heavily in favor of new gun laws.

So can you absolutely be sure that if some mass shooting would affect you that you wouldn't change your mind about it? These shootings always seem so distant from us that we think they can never happen to any of the most important people to us but the truth is any of us could be affected by it.
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I am amused that anyone still thinks more gun laws will stop someone bent on committing a mass shooting
 
ObamacareFail said:
I am amused that anyone still thinks more gun laws will stop someone bent on committing a mass shooting
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I don' think most of the avid gun banners or restrictionists believe that

what they believe is that the average low wattage sheeple will be placated by such laws in reaction to tragedies that cause the MSM to stir up mass bleatings by the populace. I also know that the leaders of the anti gun moment know that passing more laws that only reduce the legal areas in which lawful gun owners can operate is a politically useful tool to be used against gun voters who almost invariably vote against the anti gun party
 
vegas giants said:
But why aren't they doing that? Think about it for a minute. Some states are completely controlled by the GOP so you can't blame the democrats. Think why no one is really doing this already
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I don't know of any GOP controlled state that doesn't do a good job at enforcing gun laws. I do know that during the Clinton administration many gun laws weren't enforced.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I don't know of any GOP controlled state that doesn't do a good job at enforcing gun laws. I do know that during the Clinton administration many gun laws weren't enforced.
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So these GOP states have lower gun deaths than other states? Which ones?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I don't know of any GOP controlled state that doesn't do a good job at enforcing gun laws. I do know that during the Clinton administration many gun laws weren't enforced.
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What laws exactly are being enforced now that were not enforced during the Clinton administration?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I don't know of any GOP controlled state that doesn't do a good job at enforcing gun laws. I do know that during the Clinton administration many gun laws weren't enforced.
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Lets take the top ten gun death states per capita. What party controls them?
 
vegas giants said:
Post number 108. The top ten are always GOP states
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Alright I checked out your post and I checked out the link you provided. Its an old study from back in 2002 so it probably wouldn't be that relevant today but there might be some relevance. Washington D.C. tops the list although D.C. is not really a state but it does top the list by quite a big margin and D.C. is very democratic and it was far less gun friendly than any of the 50 states especially back in 2002 which was before the D.C. vs Heller case in 2008 in which D.C.s handgun ban was struck down by the SCOTUS. Alaska comes in at #2 and yes Alaska is a Republican controlled state but D.C. beats out Washington in gun deaths by a margin of 11.2, quite a big margin. Also way down at 43 is Maine which I believe is a Republican controlled state and even lower down is New Hampshire. Im not sure if New Hampshire is Republican controlled but I do know its very gun friendly. New Hampshire along with Vermont that its one of the most gun friendly states in the USA.
 
vegas giants said:
Post number 108. The top ten are always GOP states
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You still include gun suicides in that death rate, and then claim that waiting periods will affect gun suicides. We've seen data showing that less than 6% of gun suicides used guns purchased within three days of the suicide. Okay, add 6% of the guns suicides to the gun homicide and accidents, and recalculate your gun death rates by state.
 
Soopairik said:
I think you're just being paranoid.
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yeah some people said that when we objected to the first of many california gun laws

Cuomo said that when NYS instigated a ten round limit
 
Rucker61 said:
You still include gun suicides in that death rate, and then claim that waiting periods will affect gun suicides. We've seen data showing that less than 6% of gun suicides used guns purchased within three days of the suicide. Okay, add 6% of the guns suicides to the gun homicide and accidents, and recalculate your gun death rates by state.
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Im not sure what percentage but a certain amount of gun suicides are done by police officers. Being a police officer can be a very stressful job and police officers are obviously going to have access to guns. So a police officer who does himself in is probably not going to buy a new gun to commit suicide with, he will use a gun he's already got.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Im not sure what percentage but a certain amount of gun suicides are done by police officers. Being a police officer can be a very stressful job and police officers are obviously going to have access to guns. So a police officer who does himself in is probably not going to buy a new gun to commit suicide with, he will use a gun he's already got.
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it has been said fr years that a cop is most likely to be shot with his own gun-either suicide or by a mope snatching the gun from him. Vets and service members also have high rates of suicide as well
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Just saying, I don't know if I can ever remember a parent or spouse or child of a mass shooting victim ever speak out in support of guns after the fact. Not even one. In fact they seem to be heavily in favor of new gun laws.

So can you absolutely be sure that if some mass shooting would affect you that you wouldn't change your mind about it? These shootings always seem so distant from us that we think they can never happen to any of the most important people to us but the truth is any of us could be affected by it.
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I support the 2nd Amendment in spite of a shooting tragedy.
 
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