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Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

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Wake

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This thread topic stems from the conversations gathered in the thread at the bottom of this post.

Basically it's about civillians taking up arms against the government should the government start becoming tyrannical.

Somewhere along the way in that thread, it was mentiond that the U.S. military could squash any sort of rebellion. Mow them down.

So I gots a question. If God forbid you're a soldier and you're ever ordered by your leaders to shoot fellow Americans, would you?

Likewise, if you were a soldier, or even if you're a civillians, if you were given that sort of order as a soldier, what would you do?

I'm asking this question 'cause I want to have some sense of security, knowing that our American soldiers won't be turned against us.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/138913-guns-revolution-not-real-real.html#post1061002943
 
It very much depends on what each side is fighting for.
 
tessaesque said:
It very much depends on what each side is fighting for.
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Understandable. I'm meaning if there was ever a revolution/rebellion against an increasingly tyrannical government. If it were something like American terrorists attacking government buildings/whatever, it'd make sense for troops to combat them.
 
Wake said:
Understandable. I'm meaning if there was ever a revolution/rebellion against an increasingly tyrannical government. If it were something like American terrorists attacking government buildings/whatever, it'd make sense for troops to combat them.
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I would likely do my best to defend myself and my family, but I can't see myself joining a militia or military troop.
 
Firing on civs is not a lawful order.
 
I agree with Tess, it depends on what what we are fighting for and if the civilians are part of some kind of armed faction.
 
There are things i wont do. Makes me u fit to be a soldier.

Dont come arou d my spot with bad intentions though.
 
If I were a soldier I wouldn't kill fellow Americans if they were fighting against an increasingly tyrannical government. I'd join them if those leaders think they'd pit me against our own.
 
Wake said:
If I were a soldier I wouldn't kill fellow Americans if they were fighting against an increasingly tyrannical government. I'd join them if those leaders think they'd pit me against our own.
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Have you been thinking of joining a militia?
 
Why would there be a revolution? Providing Health care for poor people, would that be a good reason for you to start shooting fellow americans?

Are you so against this rightwing idea, Obamacare, that you would go to war to prevent it?

You do know it was created by the most rightwing think tank in America, dont you?
 

What are you talking about? Seems to me like you're going off on a tangent.

So, please answer my question:

If you were/are a soldier, and were ordered to shoot any Americans who were revolting against a tyrannical government, what would you do?
 
Again this poll is limited. It does not include just shooting them because you don't like them, they disagree with you or just cause your pissed off.
Anyone who reads the news or watches TV knows this happens far too often.

If I were young enough and we were in a civil war and I was ordered to fight. Yes I would
Otherwise hell no.

PS I have had a gun pointed at my face (loaded) and been shot at and I am still here.
 
I was JUST talking about this with someone in a totally unrelated thread. Eerie timing.

Anyway, I'm no soldier, but if I were, I agree that it would depend on what the fight was about.

It's really hard to say what an individual might do or how they might feel about the situation. Personal ideology would have to figure into it, I'm sure. Depending on whether the revolt was a conservative, Tea Party-like revolt against overbearing government intervention over liberty, or a liberal, Occupy Wallstreet-like revolt against government not intervening enough to provide things for the citizenry.

Different people may interpret each of those revolts, respectively, as either traitorous or patriotic.

Me, I don't think I'd shoot an American for any reason unless they presented a direct threat to the safety of myself or someone else.
 


Eric Holder: Yes, We Can Kill American Citizens Without Trial

No trial by jury, no peers present to defend you.....

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf
 
ecofarm said:
Firing on civs is not a lawful order.
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It is if martial law has been declared, which is the only time the US military should be involved in a domestic matter. Posse Comitatus.
 
clownboy said:
It is if martial law has been declared, which is the only time the US military should be involved in a domestic matter. Posse Comitatus.
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Marial law does not render firing on a civilian a legal order. If someone is trying to shoot me, no one needs to tell me to engage.
 
Depends, only time we've ever had a civil war, it was fueled by one side's admitted belief that they had a god given right to own slaves and the other side's refusal to accept such a claim. As we no longer have that kind of wedge issue, there's no reason for me to even consider killing any American over anything. What am I going to shoot another American over? RomneyCare? Flat tax? Global warming? Evolution? Lol, get serious.
 
No, not unless I was being fired upon.

 
ecofarm said:
Marial law does not render firing on a civilian a legal order. If someone is trying to shoot me, no one needs to tell me to engage.
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Yes, it does indeed, that's exactly what it means. Never heard of the Civil War?
 
clownboy said:
Yes, it does indeed, that's exactly what it means. Never heard of the Civil War?
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Martial law does not mean all civilians are fair game to be shot. No, I never heard of the Civil War.
 

First of all, this is not without precedent. Look up Kent State, assuming you think the National Guard is the same as an American soldier, which, of course, it is. And it's not as far-fetched as people might think. In the case of massive riots, I could well picture the National Guard being called in -- even the Army being called in -- if civil unrest got really, really bad.

I would hope that American soldiers would obey orders to quell violence in a big city, as an example. Or, a massive organized assault on the White House, as another. If they had to shoot their guns to quell it? So be it.

To think that American soldiers would never fire on American citizens is kind of silly. If the need arises, they would and should.

The rather scarey thing about it is that I'm not entirely confident that our soldiers would be told the truth.
 

That is untrue. The Heritage Foundation put together an 11-page idea for nationalized healthcare. Big freakin' deal. It morphed into a 2,700-page creation of a Democratic president.

The Heritage Foundation's paper did not include an individual mandate, nor an employer mandate, an expansion of Medicaid, Medicare cuts, an Independent Payment Advisory Board.

Pulllleeeze. You show you have talking points. Read the facts behind those and you'll learn something.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/03/01/point-by-point-the-case-against-obamacare/
 
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