Would you respond this way?

[Ockham]

That's a minor offense and even then pigs will unlawfully arrest someone and trump up a bogus charge. She was not required to show her ID.

Minor or not is irrelevant. What was unlawful - she jaywalked. Once arrested ID is required in Texas. You seem to rely on ad hominem instead of fact.

 

[Ockham]

She was not arrested, or at least from what I saw.

If a person can not prove their identity when ticketed, the person can be detained a reasonable time to determine identity.

If a person refuses to sign a ticket, they can be arrested and taken in. Signing a ticket is essentially posting a PR promise to appear bond.

My understanding was she was arrested for jaywalking. Perhaps we need a definitive follow up with the facts post incident.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Minor or not is irrelevant. What was unlawful - she jaywalked.

Minor or not is relevant as it is a ticketed offense.

Once arrested ID is required in Texas. You seem to rely on ad hominem instead of fact.

It was an unlawful arrest. You seem to rely on appeals to authority instead of fact.

 

[Ockham]

Minor or not is relevant as it is a ticketed offense.

Cite the ordinance that it's a ticketed offense.

It was an unlawful arrest. You seem to rely on appeals to authority instead of fact.

Arrest for jaywalking is not unlawful. I've made no appeal to authority, only to the penal code. If you don't like it, call cops "pigs" some more, maybe that will make a difference. :lamo

 

[Michael Johnson]

Cite the ordinance that it's a ticketed offense.

The article mentioned officers were giving citations to students for jaywalking.

Arrest for jaywalking is not unlawful.

It is.

I've made no appeal to authority, only to the penal code.

I'm sorry but useless semantics won't substitute your baseless claims.

If you don't like it, call cops "pigs" some more, maybe that will make a difference. :lamo

I will, since you seemingly can't stop whining about someone's usage of a slang word.

 

[Ockham]

The article mentioned officers were giving citations to students for jaywalking.

And cite where jaywalking is a ticketed offense... I'll wait...

I'm sorry but useless semantics won't substitute your baseless claims.

My basis is the Austin TX penal code. Your basis is your misinformed opinion.

I will, since you seemingly can't stop whining about someone's usage of a slang word.

The word and your usage gives insight to the ignorance of your opinion.

 

[clownboy]

Totally agree we don't have enough information on this one. But here's what I think, based on what we do know...

I think she probably did jaywalk. I accept that she was grabbed ("gently") by one of the cops. So far, so good. I believe she was unaware of her surroundings because of the headphones, and reacted in what the cop(s) chose to interpret as an aggressive manner. At that point, I believe that EVERYBODY overreacted, starting with the police... though she didn't really help her own cause, either.

She might very well be a drama queen, hence the screaming. I'm not so sure she intentionally screamed as a way to get the attention of others, as if it were part of a quickly thought out plan, but I do think it will end up serving her well as now the incident is in the light of day and the police cannot sweep it under the rug and pretend that everything on their end was just peachy, as they are usually wont to do.

Now, *I* never walk in public with headphones, precisely because I don't want to be unaware of my surroundings, but many people do. To be fair, it is entirely possible that her first thought when grabbed was that it was a mugger, or worse. If so, her reaction would have been entirely appropriate and justified. And a cop should be aware enough of this possibility to have it in his mind when he grabs her. All he needed to do once he had her attention was say, "Hey, It's just me. Nobody's here to do you harm, but we need to talk about that jaywalking you just did." It would have diffused the situation with no harm, no foul.

Unfortunately, it seems we're not interested in diffusing situations anymore.

I waited until I got the whole story. And last night the local news came out with the story and the police side of it. She didn't respond to verbal commands to stop. She said it was because of her earbuds, but that's a lame excuse and incredibly stupid of her if true. How could she respond to any danger in her surrounding environment if she couldn't hear on her jogs?

That aside, the cop grabbed her and she responded in surprise, which is okay, but it's what she did next, after she knew it was a police officer, that got her in this trouble. She tried to pull away, again after she knew it was a cop and kept trying to pull away. She told them she didn't have to stop or listen to them, and did so cursing them all the way.

That sort of behavior is going to get you a ticket regardless. At that point, where she's made a spectacle in public, the cops can't just let her go. And she wouldn't calm down, she kept railing at the officers.

She doesn't get a pass on her behavior because she's a cute white girl, though some obviously think she should. She was out in public doing unsafe things and when stopped by police she went off the deep end. I suppose they could have gone with disorderly conduct instead of the lesser charge, but they actually did her a favor.

Little miss needed to be brought down off her high horse.

 

[clownboy]

And cite where jaywalking is a ticketed offense... I'll wait...

My basis is the Austin TX penal code. Your basis is your misinformed opinion.

The word and your usage gives insight to the ignorance of your opinion.

Here you go:
jaywalking austin municipal court prosecutor fine ticket crossing mid-block | Cool as a cucumber

Apparently people get cited for jaywalking in Austin all the time. The ticket is $153.

 

[Michael Johnson]

And cite where jaywalking is a ticketed offense... I'll wait...

Keep waiting, I've already told you what was in the article.

My basis is the Austin TX penal code. Your basis is your misinformed opinion.

Your basis is founded on reading incomprehension, while ignoring the posted article.

The word and your usage gives insight to the ignorance of your opinion.

The same can be applied to your emotional rhetoric.

 

[Ockham]

Here you go:
jaywalking austin municipal court prosecutor fine ticket crossing mid-block | Cool as a cucumber

Apparently people get cited for jaywalking in Austin all the time. The ticket is $153.

Does it preclude arrest?

 

[Ockham]

Keep waiting, I've already told you what was in the article.



Your basis is founded on reading incomprehension, while ignoring the posted article.



The same can be applied to your emotional rhetoric.

IOW, you like ignorance and revel in it. Have a nice day...

 

[Michael Johnson]

IOW, you like ignorance and revel in it. Have a nice day...

lol Whatever lame retorts make you feel better about your delusions.

 

[clownboy]

Does it preclude arrest?

You'll have to explain. What does "preclude arrest" mean to you?

 

[Ockham]

You'll have to explain. What does "preclude arrest" mean to you?

Does it mean that jaywalking is only ever ticketed, meaning never an arrest or could arrest be part of scope.

 

[clownboy]

Does it mean that jaywalking is only ever ticketed, meaning never an arrest or could arrest be part of scope.

There are no statues "precluding" arrest on any charge. Everything on the books is an arrestable offense when there are mitigating factors. In this case they did not arrest her on the jaywalking offense, but the mitigating factor of refusal to produce ID. She refused to identify herself. As I said, they could have gone with a more significant charge of disorderly conduct or failure to yield to a police officer or attempt to flee. But they went minor charge and did her a favor.