Would you like a free beverage at your favorite bar in exchange for a Covid Shot ?

[MaryP]

It is called a shot for a shot.

Bars in Louisiana are giving a free shot of alcohol if the customer gets a Covid vaccine shot.

Pretty creative .

Amid COVID vaccine hesitancy, Louisiana gets creative in outreach at bars, churches, casinos

Scientists believe 70% or more of the population needs immunity to stop the spread.

www.nola.com

Good deal! Our bars are just beginning to open for the first time. A lot of them didn't make it through a year of being closed.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Good deal! Our bars are just beginning to open for the first time. A lot of them didn't make it through a year of being closed.

My favorite (nerd) bar is gone for good

 

[MaryP]

My favorite (nerd) bar is gone for good

My sympathies!

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It is called a shot for a shot.

Bars in Louisiana are giving a free shot of alcohol if the customer gets a Covid vaccine shot.

Pretty creative .

Amid COVID vaccine hesitancy, Louisiana gets creative in outreach at bars, churches, casinos

Scientists believe 70% or more of the population needs immunity to stop the spread.

www.nola.com

Do you have to prove that you have NOT already been vaccinated in order to get the free drink?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

So they’re giving me 5 dollars of alcohol in exchange for being a lab rat on an unproven vaccine?

I believe human testing volunteers for actual trials recieve for more then 5 bucks

I'm so happy that you show your sense of exquisite taste with your admission that your normal tipple costs $130 a bottle.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I'm so happy that you show your sense of exquisite taste with your admission that your normal tipple costs $130 a bottle.

That is a pretty standard price per shot if served in a bar. Bars Mark the hell out of bottles. My favorite bourbon is makers Mark. And now that I live in California the one advantage of this state is that it is sold at liquor stores for under 20 a bottle

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That is a pretty standard price per shot if served in a bar. Bars Mark the hell out of bottles. My favorite bourbon is makers Mark. And now that I live in California the one advantage of this state is that it is sold at liquor stores for under 20 a bottle

If you think that "Maker's Mark" is a good Bourbon, I suggest that you sample some "Forged Oak", "Barterhouse", or "Lost Prophet". Even better than those two, try some "Rhetoric 25". Then you might want to compare them to "Forager's Keep" or "Muckety-Muck".

Heck, you might even get some enjoyment from "The Gifted Horse".

At six years old (or less), "Maker's Mark" is still almost totally immature for anyone who actually appreciates good whiskey (but it is an 'acceptable' "middle shelf" whiskey [if you can't find anything better]).

 

[Metric Mouse]

The kind with suicidal tendencies?

Maybe the bar should be shut down for trying to murder people.

 

[Metric Mouse]

your post is a lie

from the link, from the local redneck paper
"Tennesseans expressed the most vaccine hesitancy: 24% said they were unwilling to be vaccinated but open to reconsider and 45% said they were unwilling to be vaccinated or reconsider.

Among all respondents, only a slim majority (52%) were willing to be vaccinated. Despite widespread concerns that minorities would be wary of the vaccine, willingness is higher among Black (65%) and Latino (68%) residents, the results show."

Trump would be proud of you, good people disappointed.

While your opinion poll is noted, when looking at actual vaccination data, one can see thar white Tennesseeans are leaving their trailer houses and getting vaccinated at rates 1.4 times higher than African American Tennesseans, when adjusted for population. So maybe the white Tennesseeans are liars, and getting vaccinated and not telling anyone? I don't know, but while opinion polls have flaws, actual vaccination data is pretty indisputable.

COVID-19 Vaccine

www.tn.gov

 

[trouble13]

It is called a shot for a shot.

Bars in Louisiana are giving a free shot of alcohol if the customer gets a Covid vaccine shot.

Pretty creative .

Amid COVID vaccine hesitancy, Louisiana gets creative in outreach at bars, churches, casinos

Scientists believe 70% or more of the population needs immunity to stop the spread.

www.nola.com

You keep your shot and I will happily pay my own way, but ty for the offer.

 

[noonereal]

You keep your shot and I will happily pay my own way, but ty for the offer.

and why do you feel no societal obligation to get vaccinated?

 

[trouble13]

and why do you feel no societal obligation to get vaccinated?

Fair question......

This is the short answer

I have listened to multiple opinions on the subject and I am comfortable not being vaccinated.

 

[noonereal]

I have listened to multiple opinions on the subject and I am comfortable not being vaccinated.

but you lack of socially obligation

how do you justify this to yourself?

we are all one, all interwoven

you place others at risk, your decision WILL KILL others.

and you just ignore this or what?

Thanks

 

[craig]

Just as stupid as inner city thugs being paid not to commit crime right?

Yup. Same thing.

 

[trouble13]

but you lack of socially obligation

how do you justify this to yourself?

we are all one, all interwoven

you place others at risk, your decision WILL KILL others.

and you just ignore this or what?

Thanks

1. I do not believe I have any obligation to make people safer from something that they can protect themselves from without any compliance from me.

Nothing I can do can stop you from:
Quarentining
Social distancing
Wearing 3 masks
Washing your hands every 15 min
Wiping down surfaces with disinfectants
Upgrading your air filters to HEPA grade
Installing UV lights
Taking Vitamin D
Getting Vaccinated

You can protect yourself without me and I will support your right to do all those things if you feel those actions serve your best interests.

2. I think most of the hysteria is mostly paranoia. Many people have had and recovered from it without ever knowing they contracted it to begin with. I do not feel that trying to hide from this is in my best interests or societies.

 

[noonereal]

1. I do not believe I have any obligation to make people safer from something that they can protect themselves from without any compliance from me.

Too many people in our sociaty feel as do you. I wish they could realize how destructive this "excuse" is.
We have the ability to eliminate this disease as we have others. We cannot do it without you.
You are damning others to death.

2. I think most of the hysteria is mostly paranoia. Many people have had and recovered from it without ever knowing they contracted it to begin with. I do not feel that trying to hide from this is in my best interests or societies.

Not sure how you can label a world wide pandemic hysteria how you can label 500,000 deaths in one year hysteria. In our country alone. How you can label mass graves in NYC hysteria. How you can label public mass cremations in India hysteria.

That you feel that further destroying economies and mass deaths are preferable.

All species take all measures within their power to self preserve. You call this natural desire to survive not in "best interests."

Obviously you decision to refuse the vaccine is not from reason, just what is it in you that makes you refuse to best protect yourself, your family, your country and your species? You should ask yourself.

peace and thanks for your reply

 

[trouble13]

Too many people in our sociaty feel as do you. I wish they could realize how destructive this "excuse" is.
We have the ability to eliminate this disease as we have others. We cannot do it without you.
You are damning others to death.


Not sure how you can label a world wide pandemic hysteria how you can label 500,000 deaths in one year hysteria. In our country alone. How you can label mass graves in NYC hysteria. How you can label public mass cremations in India hysteria.

That you feel that further destroying economies and mass deaths are preferable.

All species take all measures within their power to self preserve. You call this natural desire to survive not in "best interests."

Obviously you decision to refuse the vaccine is not from reason, just what is it in you that makes you refuse to best protect yourself, your family, your country and your species? You should ask yourself.

peace and thanks for your reply

I respect where you are coming from but I don't agree with you. I dont mean to sound as if I am making light of those who have died or been hospitalized from this. It is very sad.

I do not believe the extreme reaction was warranted and its doing more harm than good.

They threatened to arrest people for attending church services in parked cars. They destroyed thriving businesses. Caused massive unemployment. Kids lost a full year of education. On and on I could go about the negative consequences associated with the things done in the name of combatting the virus.

Than I look at the results of those things by comparatively looking at places who did follow the recommendations and those that did not. I dont see a significant difference in any of the numbers. All the disruption wasnt worth it. The virus is going to do what its going to do.

As far as the vaccine goes. Im am cautiously optimistic about them. I would go out and get one if I felt I was in the high risk group but I am not. I am not going to inject myself for the sake of virtue signaling. Thats just a bad personal health choice.

Regarding to how many have died so far. I am still waiting to see the data on that because the numbers being reported are murky. I want to know how many people typically die each year and if there was a significant increase in that number in 2020. I think that will give us a good ball park indication of how impactful the virus was on the population.

Thats where I am coming from on this topic. Its not a political statement or a personal liberty issue for me. I am doing what I think makes sense.

 

[noonereal]

I do not believe the extreme reaction was warranted and its doing more harm than good.

Did you see NYC when this first hit? Do you see India today? Have you read about Brazil?
I am befuddled by you calling prudent safety measures extreme.
As to more harm than good? You are referring to the economy? It sure as hell would have been in worse shape than it is now had we not taken ownership of the problem and squashed the disease as best we could.

Than I look at the results of those things by comparatively looking at places who did follow the recommendations and those that did not. I dont see a significant difference in any of the numbers. All the disruption wasnt worth it. The virus is going to do what its going to do.

Look at NYC and you will see you statement is not supported in fact. The disruption was well worth it.
We fight all aggression, all species do. Why would we lay down to this one?



You know, on 911 my then 10 year old daughter watched the WTC collapse out the back car window as I speed out of town to our country home. We had just left in a hurry. People were running everywhere. Sirens blaring from all directions. What was in the smoke? What would be the next target" That is what went though my mind.

I got to out country place and people were starting to leave work. Many leisurely stopped at the story on the way home. Others came home and to keep busy mowed their lawn. They talked about it and every so often checked in on the TV to get the latest.

It was such a contrast to what I had just escaped.

When I returned we had tanks in the streets, armed soldiers in the subway, triage tents on our docks. Out ice rink became a morgue, our soccer field was filled with helicopters.

It had been but a TV event for my friends in the country. It seemed so odd having been so up close.

I think in many ways the same thing is happening here.

I am not going to inject myself for the sake of virtue signaling.

What a tell.

Regarding to how many have died so far. I am still waiting to see the data on that because the numbers being reported are murky.

This tells me you are simply not invested. This information is out and their is nothing murky about them. NOTHING.
What we have found is nothing but undercounts. FL leads the way on this.

Basically, you are telling me, "tough shit. The virus is not likely to kill me so **** you."

Dude, I promise you, it is not a TV event.

peace

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

1. I do not believe I have any obligation to make people safer from something that they can protect themselves from without any compliance from me.

Nothing I can do can stop you from:
Quarentining
Social distancing
Wearing 3 masks
Washing your hands every 15 min
Wiping down surfaces with disinfectants
Upgrading your air filters to HEPA grade
Installing UV lights
Taking Vitamin D
Getting Vaccinated

You can protect yourself without me and I will support your right to do all those things if you feel those actions serve your best interests.

2. I think most of the hysteria is mostly paranoia. Many people have had and recovered from it without ever knowing they contracted it to begin with. I do not feel that trying to hide from this is in my best interests or societies.

(More charts and graphs at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19)​

 

[trouble13]

Did you see NYC when this first hit? Do you see India today? Have you read about Brazil?
I am befuddled by you calling prudent safety measures extreme.
As to more harm than good? You are referring to the economy? It sure as hell would have been in worse shape than it is now had we not taken ownership of the problem and squashed the disease as best we could.

what you call prudent is in my view an overreaction. Thats not to say no reaction was warranted just that the one taken was too extreme.

Yes the economy was impacted but my argument is not limited to that. The very fabrics of the foundation of our society were transformed in drastic ways. Im speaking broadly about it here but we could have an entire conversation on this aspect of it alone and it could be its own thread.

Look at NYC and you will see you statement is not supported in fact. The disruption was well worth it.
We fight all aggression, all species do. Why would we lay down to this one?



You know, on 911 my then 10 year old daughter watched the WTC collapse out the back car window as I speed out of town to our country home. We had just left in a hurry. People were running everywhere. Sirens blaring from all directions. What was in the smoke? What would be the next target" That is what went though my mind.

I got to out country place and people were starting to leave work. Many leisurely stopped at the story on the way home. Others came home and to keep busy mowed their lawn. They talked about it and every so often checked in on the TV to get the latest.

It was such a contrast to what I had just escaped.

When I returned we had tanks in the streets, armed soldiers in the subway, triage tents on our docks. Out ice rink became a morgue, our soccer field was filled with helicopters.

It had been but a TV event for my friends in the country. It seemed so odd having been so up close.

I think in many ways the same thing is happening here.

People overreacted during 9/11 too. I was against the advanced interrogation methods, the patriot act, and I supported Holder and Obama giving the detainees trials. I am on the fence if it should of been a military tribunal or a domestic court but that is another conversation.

What a tell.

I am open about my opinion. I dont hide it.

This tells me you are simply not invested. This information is out and their is nothing murky about them. NOTHING.
What we have found is nothing but undercounts. FL leads the way on this.

Basically, you are telling me, "tough shit. The virus is not likely to kill me so **** you."

Dude, I promise you, it is not a TV event.

peace

No it is not a **** you to anyone. I do many things that limit the spread of the disease. I just choose not to get injected with a new drug, that was rushed to market, that I don't feel I need; to protect you or myself.

 

[trouble13]

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(More charts and graphs at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19)​

Here is my question that your charts do not answer. How many people were expected to die in 2020 before covid was known about and how many people actually did die in 2020? The difference between those 2 numbers I think we can fairly attribute to covid.

 

[noonereal]

The very fabrics of the foundation of our society were transformed in drastic ways.

how? what? I do not know what you are speaking of.

People overreacted during 9/11

Agree.

I recall a couple days later seeing a pic from Missouri, of the arch in St. Louis on the news. They had closed it and put a military presence around it. I thought that the epidemy of stupid. I recall saying that I would sleep atop teh arch with no security and sleep like a baby. Stupid.

 

[noonereal]

Here is my question that your charts do not answer. How many people were expected to die in 2020 before covid was known about and how many people actually did die in 2020? The difference between those 2 numbers I think we can fairly attribute to covid.

more than the 500,000 that we credit to Covid

 

[EMNofSeattle]

If you think that "Maker's Mark" is a good Bourbon, I suggest that you sample some "Forged Oak", "Barterhouse", or "Lost Prophet". Even better than those two, try some "Rhetoric 25". Then you might want to compare them to "Forager's Keep" or "Muckety-Muck".

Heck, you might even get some enjoyment from "The Gifted Horse".

At six years old (or less), "Maker's Mark" is still almost totally immature for anyone who actually appreciates good whiskey (but it is an 'acceptable' "middle shelf" whiskey [if you can't find anything better]).

I would be curious to see a blind taste test.

 

[minnie616]

Here is my question that your charts do not answer. How many people were expected to die in 2020 before covid was known about and how many people actually did die in 2020? The difference between those 2 numbers I think we can fairly attribute to covid.

From an USA Today article:

Final figures aren't yet in, but preliminary numbers show 2020 is on track to become the deadliest year in U.S. history, with more than 3.2 million totaldeaths – about 400,000 more than 2019 – a sharp increase that public health experts attribute to COVID-19 and aligns with reported deaths from the disease.

2020 wasn't 'just a random bad year,' health experts say: COVID-19 made it one of the deadliest in US history

USA TODAY

www.usatoday.com