Would you be friends with a Transgender person? 27% say no.[W:151]

[Maccabee]

Yes I know what you said and it proves you have no clue about transgenderism. Sexuall oretation has nothing to do with transgeners and their transgenderism, NONE of them. Thank you again for doubling down and that and further proving you don't know what transgenderism is.

When did I said anything about sexual orientation? I simply stated the for a lot of people, being trans is the new fad. For others, they suffer from a mental illness. Thank you for arguing dishonestly.

 

[RAMOSS]

I like to see the evidence.

Dealing with Gender Dysphoria and similar issues is Captain Courtesy's job, and he has tons of links.

 

[code1211]

And here is another person that has no clue what transgenderism is, you also just proved you have no idea what orentation is. Hahahaha :2rofll:

I imagine you would think that.

 

[maquiscat]

transsexual is not 'gender fluid'. I do not have enough information about what people mean when they say 'gender fluid' .. or if it is indeed a choice or not. I do not think it would be a mental disorder, by the definitions we have of what a mental disorder is.

Gender fluid is similar to transgendered, except the identity seems to shift back and forth between the two defined points. Maybe it is because they are actually one way, but in trying to deal with the limited two labels we have they end up expressing those two extremes instead of just fully being themselves. Or if we look at some of the genetic possibilities, such as chimerism, the brain could have been developed by both types (male/female) of DNA. While we know a lot more about the condition, we still do know a lot about how it comes about.

 

[maquiscat]

I would not like to associate with a transgender person as a friend. Someone who is lying about something as major as their sex cannot be trusted to tell the truth about pretty much anything. Friendship has to be based on truth and trust.

Lying is a deliberate intent to deceive. If they truly believe it, then they are not lying. Whether they are correct or not is irrelevant to whether they are lying or not. If I discover that your birth year was 1980, but because I screwed up the head math and told everyone you were 27, I would not be lying, I'd simply be wrong. Every person of religion, Christian or otherwise, could be accused of lying. But the fact still remains that they believe what they say thus they are not lying.

 

[maquiscat]

They have to accept the social reality and not pressure us t change through their politicking.

So should women have accepted the social reality that they don't vote and not pressure us to change through their politicking? Or blacks and their status? Many at the time were calling them delusional for thinking they were the equal of men/whites.

 

[maquiscat]

Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder.

True, but transgenderism is not. One is transgendered whether they have transitioned or not, whether they have the Dysphoria or not.

 

[maquiscat]

What's the difference?

Transgenderism is the state of a person whose mind/inner identity does not match that of the body they were born with. Gender Dysphoria is the condition where the conflict between the two causes anguish and other problems for the sufferer. Gender Dysphoria can be dealt with. However, one always is a transgendered whether or not they have the Dysphoria.

 

[maquiscat]

When did I said anything about sexual orientation? I simply stated the for a lot of people, being trans is the new fad. For others, they suffer from a mental illness. Thank you for arguing dishonestly.

It was the fact that you used orientation at all. Orientation deals with one's sexuality or what gender they are attracted to. For what one perceives their own gender as, the proper word is identity. So for your claim to have any kind of accuracy, you would have needed to say that it is an imangined identity.

 

[Northern Light]

https://today.yougov.com/news/2017/05/17/21-americans-believe-identifying-transgender-menta/


I found that shockingly and shamefully high for americans.


Would you be friends with a Transgender person?
Yes
No

I have a trans friend. Didn't even know they were until months into the friendship and they admitted it to me. It didn't change anything between us really.

Kind of related... when I was a teenager I said I would never be friends with a gay person. Then one of my closest friends came out of the closet when we were 17 and it changed my whole world. We were alienated for months and then I missed him so much that I decided it didn't matter. I still visit him whenever I go back to the U.S., all these years later. We'll be friends for life.

People who say they'd never be friends with a LGBT person are usually operating on a concept in their mind and they have no real life experience at all.

 

[camlok]

Yes. I may be already. How would I know?

Excellent point, Maggie. I guess the test is though, would you still be friends with them if you found out.

 

[MaggieD]

Excellent point, Maggie. I guess the test is though, would you still be friends with them if you found out.

Oh, for sure. I have a shirt-tail niece who’s getting married to a gal on the 13th. I invited myself to her wedding. Ha! And another gay couple, guys, are friends of mine. They’ve been married ten years and together thirty.

 

[Dragonfly]

Those who voted "no" in this particular thread's poll are shallow, weak, and rather pathetic.

Basing your friendships on knowing the specific genitalia somebody is born with is quite lame.

In fact, I'd like to know exactly how you know what most of your friends have beneath their clothing? Do you ask them outright?
When you meet people for the first time, is your opening conversation based on what's between their legs now, and what was there when they were born?


How about just being friends with somebody because they happen to be somebody you'd like to be friends with?
Why are their sexual organs any of your concern?

"Hi Mary, nice to meet you. Before this goes any further though I must ask, were you born with a vagina?"

 

[Maccabee]

What is the difference?

 

[Maccabee]

Transgenderism is the state of a person whose mind/inner identity does not match that of the body they were born with. Gender Dysphoria is the condition where the conflict between the two causes anguish and other problems for the sufferer. Gender Dysphoria can be dealt with. However, one always is a transgendered whether or not they have the Dysphoria.

Evidence?

 

[rocket88]

"Hi Mary, nice to meet you. Before this goes any further though I must ask, were you born with a vagina?"

Permission to use as signature?

 

[rocket88]

Question: for those saying it's a mental illness, do you have any friends who have ever suffered from depression?

 

[maxparrish]

Transgenderism is the state of a person whose mind/inner identity does not match that of the body they were born with. Gender Dysphoria is the condition where the conflict between the two causes anguish and other problems for the sufferer. Gender Dysphoria can be dealt with. However, one always is a transgendered whether or not they have the Dysphoria.

Then call it Sex Dysphoria, a serious unease with the sex you are born with. If that unease did not exist, they would not seek to adopt a gender in obvious conflict with their biology and social recognition.

Of course, if they actually think they are what they are biologically are not, then that is called delusion and a psychotic break with reality; much like those think they are really a dog or Napoleon.

 

[Daisy]

Question: for those saying it's a mental illness, do you have any friends who have ever suffered from depression?

Yes...your point is...

 

[maquiscat]

Of course, if they actually think they are what they are biologically are not, then that is called delusion and a psychotic break with reality; much like those think they are really a dog or Napoleon.

If you want to talk biologics, IIRC there have been studies done on the brains of deceased transgender and they have more closely resembled that of the gender they identified as, than the one they had the genitals for. So by that they are essentially a different gender all together since they neither match cis males, nor cis females. And as I noted before, there have been no studies yet that have looked to whether or not chimerism is a possible source of transgenderism. If a chimera were the result of a male/female fraternal twin set, then their condition would very much be biological.

 

[Dragonfly]

Permission to use as signature?

Have at it.

 

[rocket88]

Yes...your point is...

Depression is a mental illness. Why is one mental illness ok, but not another?

 

[Daisy]

Depression is a mental illness. Why is one mental illness ok, but not another?

Every mental illness has it baggage, some more damaging to the individual, as well as the people around them, than others...I have chosen to distance myself from a family member for that very reason but they were a family member first...I would not openly go into a relationship with a person whom I am aware the baggage is there before the fact...I have enough of my own baggage to deal with...

 

[Quag]

Every mental illness has it baggage, some more damaging to the individual, as well as the people around them, than others...I have chosen to distance myself from a family member for that very reason but they were a family member first...I would not openly go into a relationship with a person whom I am aware the baggage is there before the fact...I have enough of my own baggage to deal with...

What if a friend you have known for years decides to go from He to She or vice versa? Would you stop being their friend?

 

[Daisy]

What if a friend you have known for years decides to go from He to She or vice versa? Would you stop being their friend?

Until being put in that situation, I honestly don't know...