Would you accept whatever the FINAL verdict might be

[Helix]

All possibilities. Think 7 years out. What outcome will be best or worse for America 7 years from now?

I don't know.

 

[Mycroft]

They won't be selecting you for jury duty then.

Of course not. I've already had a jury experience where I was dismissed by the defense attorney because I told her I would look at all the facts and apply them to the law.

That wasn't the kind of jury that defense attorney wanted and it's certain that's not the kind of jury that Smith or any other prosecutors want.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

It’s not that complicated imo. If the final verdict is that he is guilty of the crimes for which he has been charged then he committed those crimes. He might be found guilty of some and not guilty of others.

Actually it is complicated because Trump the Terrorist was indicted on 37 charges in Miami and 4 charges in Washington. It is possible for one or both juries to agree Trump the Terrorist is guilty of some charges but not all of them. Also don't forget they are two of three indictment cases and he has other charges coming up that are not indictments. Nothing is simple about this.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

So? People don't have to choose a party to vote (only vote in the primary) but can still get summoned for jury duty.

Floridians have to choose either Republican, Democrat, or independent the day they register,. which is when they get their state ID cards.

Only registered voters can be selected for jury duty.

So obviously all of the lawyers involved in the espionage case will know what the political affiliation of each juror is before any decisions are made.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

And the espionage trial in south Florida will begin during the primary season. Florida is one of the states that requires people to register as Democrats, Republicans, or independents. So all of the lawyers in that case will know who is a Democrat or Republican

Good, all the information needed to strike all democrats for cause is known

 

[Donatello]

I don't know.

NP. I was just proposing a thought exercise. I think they are interesting questions... 1. What will the US look like in 7 years if Biden is reelected. 2. What will the US look like in 7 years if Trump is elected. How will things be similar vs how will things be different. I welcome all comments.

 

[holbritter]

Floridians have to choose either Republican, Democrat, or independent the day they register,. which is when they get their state ID cards.

Only registered voters can be selected for jury duty.

So obviously all of the lawyers involved in the espionage case will know what the political affiliation of each juror is before any decisions are made.

That is incorrect.
Florida is a closed primary state. That means that in most cases only voters who are affiliated with or registered members of political parties may vote for their respective party's candidates for an office in a Primary Election.
(For example: only registered Republicans can vote in a Republican Primary contest and only Democrats can vote in a Democratic Primary contest.)

You can register as No Party Affiliation when you register to vote.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Unfortunately, (for Trump) what seems to be a trait among his die hard supporters is they just aren't the sharpest tools in the junk drawer. I could see them literally showing up to court in the get up below, along with their car covered in FJB stickers and then screaming that the courts are biased when they get rejected.

This is a good point I never thought about. If someone goes to the courthouse wearing a MAGA hat and Trump campaign t-shirt, that is a red flag selecting him/her would likely result in a hung jury. At polling places, people are not allowed to wear campaign clothes the day they vote in person. Because the last thing anyone wants is a hung jury, only a MAGA moron who should have had his law degree revoked would not reject such a person for jury duty.

 

[multivita-man]

Simple question: will you accept the FINAL verdict (ie, after all appeals are exhausted) in all of the charges levied against the defendant, the jackass as you would accept the final verdict in charges levied against anyone else in this country. In other words, if he is found INNOCENT would you accept that, and if he is found GUILTY would you also accept that as fact.

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'accept'. I accept that the verdict may end up not being the verdicts I think he should get, but what matters most, IMO, is that he is subjected to the process. There is overwhelming evidence indicating potential legal guilt, but that doesn't always result in legal guilt. A jury has to decide that, and I accept that federal prosecutors and the judge will work their hardest to get a jury that is fair to the accused and partial enough to at least consider the facts.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

This poll feels like a derivative of 2016:

"Will you accept the results?"

"If I win."

I was thinking about that while reading this thread. But the specific question was whether or not the loser would accept the results.

 

[uptower]

In that case people called to jury duty for the Aaron Hernandez trial should not have been asked if they are Patriots fans. (That question was asked because he was still on New England's active roster.)

No I mean the public doesn't need to know all about the jurors. Of course they'll still do a diligent jury selection. But if there's a wise juror with an agenda they might try to hide it from the others.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

No I mean the public doesn't need to know all about the jurors. Of course they'll still do a diligent jury selection. But if there's a wise juror with an agenda they might try to hide it from the others.

The public never knows that about the jurors. It might be known how many are men and how many are women, but the media is not going to publish any juror's party affiliation because that would deny Trump the Terrorist a fair trial.

 

[jaypatriot]

Understood. For the purposes of this poll I use "not guilty" to mean "innocent", though technically and legally the terminology is faulty. A hung jury issues no final judgement either way and may result in a new trial, as you pointed out.

If I spelled 'judgement' like you, would people consider me to be British and thus erudite?

 

[mrjurrs]

Simple question: will you accept the FINAL verdict (ie, after all appeals are exhausted) in all of the charges levied against the defendant, the jackass as you would accept the final verdict in charges levied against anyone else in this country. In other words, if he is found INNOCENT would you accept that, and if he is found GUILTY would you also accept that as fact.

I would have to, but that doesn't mean it would be settled in my own opinion. Iow, if juries hang because there is one holdout, that fact would impact my acceptance.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'accept'. I accept that the verdict may end up not being the verdicts I think he should get, but what matters most, IMO, is that he is subjected to the process. There is overwhelming evidence indicating potential legal guilt, but that doesn't always result in legal guilt. A jury has to decide that, and I accept that federal prosecutors and the judge will work their hardest to get a jury that is fair to the accused and partial enough to at least consider the facts.

A psychologist told me accepting something you don't like is a choice to avoid making the situation worse, but does not make it any better either. I think we have no choice but to accept the verdict if it is wrong because we are not the FBI and DOJ or Jack Smith.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I would have to, but that doesn't mean it would be settled in my own opinion. IOW, if juries hang because there is one holdout, that fact would impact my acceptance.

I would need to know why one juror held out. If he or she is a MAGA moron, no way am I accepting it.

 

[multivita-man]

A psychologist told me accepting something you don't like is a choice to avoid making the situation worse, but does not make it any better either. I think we have no choice but to accept the verdict if it is wrong because we are not the FBI and DOJ or Jack Smith.

I would accept it because nothing more could be done. It would then be up to voters to decide whether or not he should be back in office, and God help us if they **** that up. I'd do what I can, which is vote against him. Beyond that, what's done is done and you have no choice but to accept it and keep representing your own values.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

No.

It's nothing but politically corrupt Trump hatred that is the reason for these nonsense indictments. If Trump is found guilty, it is ONLY the result of that politically corrupt Trump hatred. Accepting a guilty verdict is nothing more than accepting political corruption.

I will NEVER accept political corruption.

Your post, as usual, is ridiculous, something only one of the brainwashed magats would say. I know you're not one of them are you?

Trump 'hatred' is hardly politically corrupt..

No Patriotic American likes a traitor.

No Patriotic American likes someone who under the label of president incites a COUP.

No Patriotic American likes a liar.

No Patriotic American likes a conman.

No Patriotic American likes a grifter.

No Patriotic American likes a hypocrite.

No Patriotic American likes a racist.

No Patriotic American likes a Dictator or Authoritarian.

No Patriotic American likes a Putin sucker.

No Patriotic American likes a Kim sucker.

No Patriotic American likes a Xi sucker.

No Patriotic American likes a thief.

No Patriotic American likes a president who violates his oath of office.

No Patriotic American likes a president who violates the Constitution.

No Patriotic American likes a president who violates the rule of law.

No Patriotic American likes a president who refuses to abide by the peaceful transfer of power to the President Elect who We The People voted for in a free and fair election.

No Patriotic American likes a president who attempts to overturn an American Presidential Election.

No Patriotic American likes a president who tries to bribe or threaten other officials to help his steal votes from the American voters.

I can go on and on, but I won't.

You can call it hatred, some can call it dislike, but regardless, it is the complete opposite of 'politically corrupt'......it is, in fact, PATRIOTIC, and those Americans are cherished and honored in the United States of America.

I will of course accept any verdict given on the traitor's crimes, because I am not like you or coup coup trump. I still have some faith in our judicial system and do not put one corrupt scumbag over Country.

 

[Donatello]

Your post, as usual, is ridiculous, something only one of the brainwashed magats would say. I know you're not one of them are you?

Trump 'hatred' is hardly politically corrupt..

No Patriotic American likes a traitor.

No Patriotic American likes someone who under the label of president incites a COUP.

No Patriotic American likes a liar.

No Patriotic American likes a conman.

No Patriotic American likes a grifter.

No Patriotic American likes a hypocrite.

No Patriotic American likes a racist.

No Patriotic American likes a Dictator or Authoritarian.

No Patriotic American likes a Putin sucker.

No Patriotic American likes a Kim sucker.

No Patriotic American likes a Xi sucker.

No Patriotic American likes a thief.

No Patriotic American likes a president who violates his oath of office.

No Patriotic American likes a president who violates the Constitution.

No Patriotic American likes a president who violates the rule of law.

No Patriotic American likes a president who refuses to abide by the peaceful transfer of power to the President Elect who We The People voted for in a free and fair election.

No Patriotic American likes a president who attempts to overturn an American Presidential Election.

No Patriotic American likes a president who tries to bribe or threaten other officials to help his steal votes from the American voters.

I can go on and on, but I won't.

You can call it hatred, some can call it dislike, but regardless, it is the complete opposite of 'politically corrupt'......it is, in fact, PATRIOTIC, and those Americans are cherished and honored in the United States of America.

I will of course accept any verdict given on the traitor's crimes, because I am not like you or coup coup trump. I still have some faith in our judicial system and do not put one corrupt scumbag over Country.

Go ahead MyCroft. Let's see you pick em off one at a time. Up to it?

 

[Logician Man]

I would accept any jury's verdict. That said, if the verdict(s) are not unanimous either for acquittal or conviction, I would like to see Trump retried as many times as is needed, until/unless a unanimous decision is reached in any/all of the trials.

 

[Ethel2]

I would accept any jury's verdict. That said, if the verdict(s) are not unanimous either for acquittal or conviction, I would like to see Trump retried as many times as is necessary, until/unless a unanimous decision is reached in any/all of the trials.

I believe that in criminal cases a non unanimous verdict =not guilty.
Gotta be unanimous I think to find someone guilty.

 

[Logician Man]

I believe that in criminal cases a non unanimous verdict =not guilty.
Gotta be unanimous I think to find someone guilty.

I'm really not sure how it works in any given jurisdiction, or any given trial, for any given felony crime. I do know there have been people who have been tried for murder in which there were 'hung juries', and the defendant was retried as a result of those 'hung juries' - some cases more than one retrial. Maybe some of the DP legal folks can enlighten us on the matter.

 

[Peter]

If you believe in the rule of law then you have to accept whatever verdict is reached.

I'd really like Trump to be found guilty but if he isn't, he isn't.

I'll bitch and moan if he's found not guilty but I'll have to accept the result.

 

[Ethel2]

I'm really not sure how it works in any given jurisdiction, or any given trial, for any given felony crime. I do know there have been people who have been tried for murder in which there were 'hung juries', and the defendant was retried as a result of those 'hung juries' - some cases more than one retrial. Maybe some of the DP legal folks can enlighten us on the matter.

I think it has to be unanimous:

“Under current doctrine, jury verdicts must be unanimous to convict a defendant of a non-petty offense in both federal and state criminal trials.1For federal criminal trials, the Supreme Court’s recognition of this unanimity requirement is long-standing, dating back at least as far as the late 1800s.2But for state criminal trials, it was not until 2020 that the Court held for the first time, in Ramos v. Louisiana, that the Sixth Amendment unanimity requirement applies by incorporation via the Fourteenth Amendment.3”

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt6-4-4-3/ALDE_00013134/

 

[ClaraD]

No.

It's nothing but politically corrupt Trump hatred that is the reason for these nonsense indictments. If Trump is found guilty, it is ONLY the result of that politically corrupt Trump hatred. Accepting a guilty verdict is nothing more than accepting political corruption.

I will NEVER accept political corruption.

So, Pence is lying?