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Workers are feeling too entitled

multivita-man said:
I see it as establishing his idea of company culture. I also suspect that given the previous chief's battle with DeSantis and conservative pols, he's trying to close some of that distance with policies that are more conservative and traditional, starting with his own workforce.
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Yeah, though I listed it third earlier, "control" is actually my first guess.
 
Lursa said:
& @gbg3 In post 120, I wrote that "this is a transition period, but students (HS & college) now know they can choose careers that offer remote work...and they will adjust their career choices accordingly. And certain industries will have to adjust to that.

Of course many service jobs arent really affected by this but other careers are easily and effectively done online."

So going forward, people will know before they choose a career if it's likely to offer remote work. And they'll also know ahead of time which companies offer remote work, rather than undergoing a sea change in the middle of their job, like now.

People will be able to choose what suits them best, as will employers. Employees will agree to their terms or not. Employers will see if competitors offer remote and if they have to do so as well to get the best talent. The free market at work.
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It's really hard to generalize.

There will always be HQ and branch offices where people come in and do business. I don't think tech will ever replace the desire for in-person work and I suspect that a solid majority of work and collaboration across a range of fields will be done in-person.

However, I think you're right in that people now are aware that they can be productive working from home in a lot of roles. That'll be a point that gets brought up at negotiation time.

It's also worth pointing out that remote work also offers advantages for companies, too. They don't have to limit their candidate search to their immediate metropolitan area. So the idea that executives and employees stand in total opposition on this issue is incorrect. It's really a matter of finding the right situation for both.
 
VySky said:
And someone will take the job who really wants it even if that means showing up to work in efforts to be effectively managed. It’s only the white collar entitled who wants call the shots.

More if the same BS. Demand we pay their college. Demand we allow them to work from home etc. Demand, demand, demand.
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LMAO, you are showing yourself...do you need to be 'effectively managed?' Is that projection that you cant be trusted to do your job well and on time? Interesting that you so quickly assume that for others.

For those of us who are responsible adults, we do get our work done, very very well, and on time. Without someone breathing down our necks. Keeping people that dont is a reflection of bad management, not effective management, in or out of the office.
 
VySky said:
How about losers when the boss gets his way?
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I get calls from recruiters several times a week... I think I know who the losers are...
 
VySky said:
How about losers when the boss gets his way?
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All you're really telling us here is that you know American workplaces are lousy with despots. And maybe, that you approve.
 
multivita-man said:
It's really hard to generalize.

There will always be HQ and branch offices where people come in and do business. I don't think tech will ever replace the desire for in-person work and I suspect that a solid majority of work and collaboration across a range of fields will be done in-person.

However, I think you're right in that people now are aware that they can be productive working from home in a lot of roles. That'll be a point that gets brought up at negotiation time.

It's also worth pointing out that remote work also offers advantages for companies, too. They don't have to limit their candidate search to their immediate metropolitan area. So the idea that executives and employees stand in total opposition on this issue is incorrect. It's really a matter of finding the right situation for both.
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"Remote" has become a subset of internet job searches. It's a great cost reduction strategy for many companies.

Some of the authoritarians here don't seem to realize the company benefits to remote work.
 
Michael Cole said:
"Remote" has become a subset of internet job searches. It's a great cost reduction strategy for many companies.

Some of the authoritarians here don't seem to realize the company benefits to remote work.
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I think the operative word going forward is flexible workforce or workspace - whatever we want to call it. The office won't go away completely; it'll still remain. But we'll use it differently.
 
multivita-man said:
The one concern I can kind of sympathize with is the waste of office space and the impact on commercial real estate. There are also shops that fed off the business traffic (restaurants, drug stores, etc) that are impacted as well. But markets adjust over time.

The challenge I would offer to CEOs is rather than demanding remote workers come in 3-4 days a week to build team chemistry or whatever, incentivize coming in. Give them a reason to come in. And maybe show that they care about their wellbeing too (i.e., improve indoor air quality).
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Yeah believe me I know. Look at the Microsoft campus and its expansions, look at Google campus, look at the state of the art Amazon globe. I worked at the Gates Foundation when we moved from 5 scattered, mostly leased buildings to the 'new' campus by the Space Needle...an environmental showpiece.

Guess what, that's their problem 🤷 (IMO) Not completely uncaring tho, not everything can be predicted. But MS had been implying WFH (remote) for more than 10 yrs and creating apps and technology to enable it (for other companies and profit)...but most orgs and teams didnt allow it on a regular basis. It's been an option for 20 yrs that many tech companies still didnt allow full-time.

For a time, the city of Redmond passed a law that didnt allow MS to buy/build more office space. So they had a shitload of leases. Then the ban was lifted and MS built a whole bunch of satellite campuses. And yeah, that's a big $$ investment. 🤷
 
BlueTex said:
I get calls from recruiters several times a week... I think I know who the losers are...
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Uh huh . Sure you do. How are the rest of the clerks doing today?
 
multivita-man said:
It's really hard to generalize.

There will always be HQ and branch offices where people come in and do business. I don't think tech will ever replace the desire for in-person work and I suspect that a solid majority of work and collaboration across a range of fields will be done in-person.
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I hope I didnt imply that. I certainly didnt mean to. I know plenty of people that prefer the office or hybrid. Esp. a lot of those that immigrated here, IMO they view it as a status thing. I think more social people prefer it. And the campuses have a lot of conveniences.

I didnt address this in your other post but yes, a lot of (often) small businesses like restaurants, shops, that depended on those employees will suffer. We saw it frequently here during Boeing downturns. They also will have to adapt.

multivita-man said:
However, I think you're right in that people now are aware that they can be productive working from home in a lot of roles. That'll be a point that gets brought up at negotiation time.
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Again, the next generation will just factor it into their career choices.

multivita-man said:
It's also worth pointing out that remote work also offers advantages for companies, too. They don't have to limit their candidate search to their immediate metropolitan area. So the idea that executives and employees stand in total opposition on this issue is incorrect. It's really a matter of finding the right situation for both.
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Yeah, and also more saved in infrastructure and overhead. Need for less cafeteria staff and services, less parking area, etc
 
Michael Cole said:
Unresponsive.

Boss wants them to return. Employees say **** off. How is that the boss getting his way? Clue: It isn't.
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Sure he wins.

Because there would be somebody else doing the job. And it would no longer be you. The boss wins in the end. Trust me
 
Michael Cole said:
If these workers quit, how is the boss getting his way?
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LOL this thread makes it easy to see the labels for the parties are very apt.

Conservatives...resistant to adaptation, stuck in the past, need oversight and structure

Progressives...looking and moving forward, quick to adapt and take advantage of new opportunities, responsible adults needing less supervision
 
VySky said:
Sure he wins.

Because there would be somebody else doing the job. And it would no longer be you. The boss wins in the end. Trust me
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Stop, man. We're not playing heads I win tails you lose. You lost. Deal.
 
Lursa said:
LOL this thread makes it easy to see the labels for the parties are very apt.

Conservatives...resistant to adaptation, stuck in the past, need oversight and structure

Progressives...looking and moving forward, quick to adapt and take advantage of new opportunities, responsible adults needing less supervision
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Managers define who does or doesn’t need less or more supervision. Not the employee. 20% of the people take 80% of your time.
 
VySky said:
Managers define who does or doesn’t need less or more supervision. Not the employee. 20% of the people take 80% of your time.
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Smart managers assess situations and use their workforce accordingly. Managers can wear their title proudly, but they're not going to feel much like managers when they keep losing talent.

Companies don't just compete for consumers; they compete for talented workers as well.
 
multivita-man said:
Smart managers assess situations and use their workforce accordingly. Managers can wear their title proudly, but they're not going to feel much like managers when they keep losing talent.

Companies don't just compete for consumers; they compete for talented workers as well.
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Vy seems to be an X boss.


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This thread is turning into something worthwhile. It’s a looking glass into the issues we face today. Simply mind numbing yet informative.

Explains a lot.

Carry on.
 
VySky said:
Fire every single one that does not show up day 1. Period.
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I totally agree if, as an employer, you have informed a group of employees they need to return to the workplace and they refuse - fire them.
 
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