Workers are feeling too entitled

[redbeer]

Yeah, that's crazy alright. Instead of answering phones at the office, they answer them at home. What lazy asses.

Where do you get these crazy ideas? They do the exact same work from home that they do in the office.

Sure they do.

 

[Michael Cole]

Sure they do.

So, you're claiming Disney has been paying these people to drink beer, correct?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Yes, they do. My God, think it over for a minute.

If they didn't, the company would have gone broke long ago.

Depends on the company. For a long time companies were hiring a lot of dead weight due to freely available capital, but tech employers are engaging in mass layoffs now

 

[Michael Cole]

Depends on the company. For a long time companies were hiring a lot of dead weight due to freely available capital, but tech employers are engaging in mass layoffs now

Nice try, but no.

Did Iger fire the janitorial staff? He can clean the bathroom himself. There is nothing these employees can do in the office that they can't do at home.

Iger wants them back not because work isn't getting done. Like I said, if work weren't getting done, the company wouldn't survive. He wants them back because that's the hand he's dealing the shareholders. Could be anything; unity, cohesiveness, control, who knows. Point is, remote work is no different than on-sight work here. If Iger needs a pallet moved, he can call United.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Nice try, but no.

Did Iger fire the janitorial staff? He can clean the bathroom himself. There is nothing these employees can do in the office that they can't do at home.

Iger wants them back not because work isn't getting done. Like I said, if work weren't getting done, the company wouldn't survive. He wants them back because that's the hand he's dealing the shareholders. Could be anything; unity, cohesiveness, control, who knows. Point is, remote work is no different than on-sight work here. If Iger needs a pallet moved, he can call United.

These huge media/tech companies are now beginning to eat themselves from the inside out now that the party is over. Classic tech boom / bust cycle.

 

[Michael Cole]

These huge media/tech companies are now beginning to eat themselves from the inside out now that the party is over. Classic tech boom / bust cycle.

Yep. The rest of the economy is roaring, which gives the workers the upper hand. I don't think the employees were bluffing when threatening to resign.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Good stuff - the more you're worth the more you can negotiate job conditions.

Suit yourself.

I am working with my boss on that topic.

In my case we are setting up a foundation to restructure the dept in a way that gets me a type of experience I want. What he will get is more time to focus on strategic topics and increased dept capabilities.

In the end I will be getting practical experience with ML datasets and architecting (which is where I am trying to get better at python and R) and more time to work with the AI team.

I will be in charge of the analysts which, I admit, I need that leadership experience but it’s not intuitive to me like data is.

 

[BlueTex]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but it's HIS company, not the employees' company. If he wants his employees to come back to the office, then they have a decision to make.

LOL… it’s not “his company”, it’s the SHAREHOLDERS company… He is an EMPLOYEE and reports to the board..

 

[Port & Starboard]

Many jobs can be done from a computer sitting at home and it's a "win win" for the worker and the company they work for. I just don't understand why some people have a problem with others who prefer to work from home.

On the other hand, anyone who enters a job position knowing that it is a in person job, and then turns around making demands that they get to work from home? **** em! (sickness and pregnancy excluded of course)

 

[Slartibartfast]

Many jobs can be done from a computer sitting at home and it's a "win win" for the worker and the company they work for. I just don't understand why some people have a problem with others who prefer to work from home.

On the other hand, anyone who enters a job position knowing that it is a in person job, and then turns around making demands that they get to work from home? **** em! (sickness and pregnancy excluded of course)

Ultimately I think its a question of style. I have had former coworkers who cannot stand working from home and have trouble separating their work lives and real lives in that scenario. In the cases of management's comfort, it seems to trust and accessibility.

 

[rickc]

Workers definitely have the upper hand in Biden's economy. If their employers doesn't kiss their behind, they will just quit and Joe will pay them more to not work. Just say they have developed mental issues and get full disability, along with free food, housing, utilities and health care....and don't forget to vote Democrat or that stuff will get taken away.

Unbelievable

You actually believe what you posted?

Right wing propaganda is very effective.

Right to work goes both ways. If the wages won't support you why take the job. With a 3% unemployment rate there are plenty more jobs out there. That is what happens in a thriving economy.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Ultimately I think its a question of style. I have had former coworkers who cannot stand working from home and have trouble separating their work lives and real lives in that scenario. In the cases of management's comfort, it seems to trust and accessibility.

I've only had one job that where I was told that it was my option to work from home. I was doing estimates (takeoffs) for LevelRock pours, Drywall board counts, and Paint. I would format the estimates on Excel and send them in.

I lasted 2 whole weeks before I ending up working back at the office.

My boss asked me what the problem was, so I told him that my golf clubs were always 5 feet from my computer. We both had a pretty good laugh, and he said I was the first one honest enough to admit something like that.

 

[Razoo]

Workers need higher wages to justify driving back and forth to the office when fiscal responsible policy dictates it is more efficient to work from home.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I’ve been saying it for years. Conservatism is a submissive mindset. Never seen any group quicker to suck off the powerful for no reason at all.

 

[multivita-man]

Republican "populists" are mad about workers again.

News at eleven.

I think it's tough guy virtue signaling.

Hell I worked 5, 6, 7 days a week for minimum wage and 70 hours a week without overtime pay, and hell, I never complained. Hell, my boss yelled at me and called me names, even threatened to kick my ass and f*** my wife. Made me a better person, too. I mean look at these snowflakes asking for better pay and working conditions. Who do these entitled wussies think they are? lol How much can they bench? lol

 

[Razoo]

Workers need higher wages to justify driving back and forth to the office when fiscal responsible policy dictates it is more efficient to work from home.

Do workers receive pay increases when gasoline prices go through the roof? Damn right they should.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I've only had one job that where I was told that it was my option to work from home. I was doing estimates (takeoffs) for LevelRock pours, Drywall board counts, and Paint. I would format the estimates on Excel and send them in.

I lasted 2 whole weeks before I ending up working back at the office.

My boss asked me what the problem was, so I told him that my golf clubs were always 5 feet from my computer. We both had a pretty good laugh, and he said I was the first one honest enough to admit something like that.

There are times when I get crosseyed from too much data and have to go play video games or something for 20-30 mins to reset.

If I don't, I am usually shot until I have a meal. I can't do that in the office but that ability to reset helps me get stuff done.

 

[multivita-man]

There are times when I get crosseyed from too much data and have to go play video games or something for 20-30 mins to reset.

If I don't, I am usually shot until I have a meal. I can't do that in the office but that ability to reset helps me get stuff done.

My eating and sleeping habits are better when I work from home. Healthier workers make more productive employees, not to mention not having to spend 1-2 hours commuting.

There are some jobs where working from home really isn't an option, and some individuals don't have the self-discipline and self-management skills to work without direct supervision. But the real point in this discussion is, management should be flexible. If the work can be done at home, and especially if it can be done more efficiently from the worker's point of view, asking them to come into work is just a power play, and I just don't have time for that shit. And most good workers have other options. So management's just screwing themselves in the end if they have a brainless policy of forced in-person working to satisfy some leader's obsessive compulsive disorder.

 

[bongsaway]

This is not a good place for our society to have arrived. How dare an employer ask employees to show up to work, in person? Seriously?

MSN

Not to worry, I'm sure the salaried multi millionaires will keep those uppity hourly workers in their place.

 

[bongsaway]

Workers definitely have the upper hand in Biden's economy. If their employers doesn't kiss their behind, they will just quit and Joe will pay them more to not work. Just say they have developed mental issues and get full disability, along with free food, housing, utilities and health care....and don't forget to vote Democrat or that stuff will get taken away.

Why do you guys tell each other this bullshit, y'all know it isn't true and yet we hear it every single day on here. You forgot to mention joe also gives those who quit their jobs a cool million each.

 

[Decypher]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but it's HIS company, not the employees' company. If he wants his employees to come back to the office, then they have a decision to make.

Sure but if his competitors are all offering WFH or hybrid options, he will find it difficult to retain employees.

There’s a new dynamic at play with the advent of technology which COVID accelerated. Employers will need to adapt or die. I’m currently looking to switch jobs. I’ve had two offers last month. One wouldn’t offer an hybrid option and the other hadn’t updated their salary offering to reflect the rise in COL in the last few years. I turned down both offers and see that both positions are still open.

 

[gbg3]

Meh. I’ve been working from home for almost 5 years now.

If it were to commute to home office, I would have to cross 4 states.

Lots of people effectively work from home. But the flip side of that is there are many who don't (effectively, that is).
Covid changes created an expectation that the trend would become permanent and for many a business (and I'd argue, many a worker), it is not a good fit.
Some workers were smart enough to recognize covid changes wouldn't and shouldn't necessarily represent their ongoing norm. Just because it was the norm of that period, doesn't mean it was the best option for the job/position.
Let's just look at one profession for a moment - broadcast news. Many a host was broadcasting from home and all their guests were in their own homes during covid. That period was a loaded with issues of not having connections when they were expected, dogs barking and children playing in the background (making it hard for the broadcaster to focus and the viewer to hear), etc. It was incredibly clumsy and unprofessional from a viewer's perspective. Did it kind of work - yes but just kind of. Once they returned to the studios, the professionalism of the production went up enormously. This is just one small example of how glaring the difference can be between work from home and work from the office - for some professions.
Teaching is absolutely another example!!!!!! Just look at the decline our children faced as a result of them staring at their computers while their teachers were at home.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Lots of people effectively work from home. But the flip side of that is there are many who don't (effectively, that is).
Covid changes created an expectation that the trend would become permanent and for many a business (and I'd argue, many a worker), it is not a good fit.
Some workers were smart enough to recognize covid changes wouldn't and shouldn't necessarily represent their ongoing norm. Just because it was the norm of that period, doesn't mean it was the best option for the job/position.
Let's just look at one profession for a moment - broadcast news. Many a host was broadcasting from home and all their guests were in their own homes during covid. That period was a loaded with issues of not having connections when they were expected, dogs barking and children playing in the background (making it hard for the broadcaster to focus and the viewer to hear), etc. It was incredibly clumsy and unprofessional from a viewer's perspective. Did it kind of work - yes but just kind of. Once they returned to the studios, the professionalism of the production went up enormously. This is just one small example of how glaring the difference can be between work from home and work from the office - for some professions.
Teaching is absolutely another example!!!!!! Just look at the decline our children faced as a result of them staring at their computers while their teachers were at home.

I would agree that some jobs make more sense in person.

The issue arises when bosses want people to come in when there is no benefit to the job or industry.

 

[gbg3]

I’m one of those “workers” that refuses to go and work in an office on any regular schedule. Important meetings? Sure. Daily or hybrid just because? Nope.

I’ve demanded to work remotely since prior to Covid, and guess what? It is a demand that every client I provide services for happily obliges. That or I don’t work for them.

Covid has shown that there are a great deal of jobs that can be done 100% remotely - and employees are well within their right to say “nope, I will work remote thanks”

Employers either adjust or don’t. Then employees decide they will continue to work for them, or not.

Free market.

I'm glad it's worked out for you.
But I think you missed a big part of the free market equation in the two sentences you wrote before your "Free market." ending. I think it would only be complete if you would have also added.
Employees either adjust or don't. Then employers decide whether that employee is worth their job/pay, or not.

 

[gbg3]

Why should employees have to go in to work if they're doing the job just as well from home?

Work from home makes good sense for some jobs and for some workers.