Women Who Have Miscarriages Could Face Prosecution in West Virginia

[lynnwinslow]

I read it. Miscarriages result in no charges, UNLESS ...?

UNLESS what Lynn?

Tell me what you think happens when a women has a miscarriage.

 

[Lutherf]

And this confusing BS is why men with no medical training shouldn't legislate women's healthcare procedures.

Women who have miscarriages could face prosecution in West Virginia

A West Virginia prosecutor has said women who hide evidence of their miscarriages could face criminal charges under laws about disposing of a body.

www.newsweek.com

According to Raleigh County prosecuting attorney, Tom Truman, women who have experienced a miscarriage, otherwise known as an involuntary abortion, in the state, could face charges if they are found to have buried, flushed, or hidden evidence of their miscarriage.

Criminal Charges After Miscarriage? - WV MetroNews

Raleigh County Prosecutor Tom Truman, perhaps unknowingly and unintentionally, opened Pandora’s Box late Friday in an interview with Beckley television station WVNS. The station reached out to Truman seeking clarity on a provocative and troubling question: Could women in West Virginia who...

wvmetronews.com

Truman suggested calling 911, a doctor or law enforcement if worried about potential charges. He noted he would not be willing to file charges in such cases.

That's not all we're gonna do! Next week we're going to ban ovulation....except for transgender women who are a protected class and therefore above the law.

 

[reflechissez]

Goal post movement noted and ignored.

You can't trust ANYTHING he says. He's not an honest broker.

 

[lynnwinslow]

That's not all we're gonna do! Next week we're going to ban ovulation....except for transgender women who are a protected class and therefore above the law.

Here is a notification for your little DP bell. Yay!

 

[element94]

And this confusing BS is why men with no medical training shouldn't legislate women's healthcare procedures.

Women who have miscarriages could face prosecution in West Virginia

A West Virginia prosecutor has said women who hide evidence of their miscarriages could face criminal charges under laws about disposing of a body.

www.newsweek.com

According to Raleigh County prosecuting attorney, Tom Truman, women who have experienced a miscarriage, otherwise known as an involuntary abortion, in the state, could face charges if they are found to have buried, flushed, or hidden evidence of their miscarriage.

Criminal Charges After Miscarriage? - WV MetroNews

Raleigh County Prosecutor Tom Truman, perhaps unknowingly and unintentionally, opened Pandora’s Box late Friday in an interview with Beckley television station WVNS. The station reached out to Truman seeking clarity on a provocative and troubling question: Could women in West Virginia who...

wvmetronews.com

Truman suggested calling 911, a doctor or law enforcement if worried about potential charges. He noted he would not be willing to file charges in such cases.

It's like the wild west there, and in Texas.

 

[Cope]

A law must identify those it seeks to protect to be valid. A law that fails to identify and protect all is a failed law. If the law didn't require live births to be certified, then children could be abused, abandoned, murdered, and the state wouldn't know.

Sure, the law as written sucks. The prosecutor already said though that they would fail to do so.

UNLESS ... What was the unless?

A failed pregnancy can occur before a woman knows she's pregnant. Indeed, a large percentage of embryos fail to attach. A law that gives the same rights to a zygote as it does to a born child needs to account for these failed pregnancies like all others, if it is to be consistent. If the law has a purpose in protecting born children from their mothers, and the unborn are to be treated with the same rights as the born, then an abusive pregnant woman, who would have her born children taken from her by the state, would need to be incarcerated and monitored, in the interest of the personhood of the unborn.

Simply put, if a fertilized egg has the same rights as a born child, then the moment of fertilization is when certification is required, if the law is to be consistent.

Once again, this is a problem with specific law language.

Pro-life is a house of cards.

I don't disagree, specifically since I am pro-abortion

 

[Cope]

Tell me what you think happens when a women has a miscarriage.

UNLESS what?

 

[lynnwinslow]

UNLESS what?

Why are you shouting?
I can't explain it to you unless I know you understand what happens when a woman has a miscarriage. Can you tell me what you think happens when a woman has a miscarriage?

 

[Lursa]

And this confusing BS is why men with no medical training shouldn't legislate women's healthcare procedures.

Women who have miscarriages could face prosecution in West Virginia

A West Virginia prosecutor has said women who hide evidence of their miscarriages could face criminal charges under laws about disposing of a body.

www.newsweek.com

According to Raleigh County prosecuting attorney, Tom Truman, women who have experienced a miscarriage, otherwise known as an involuntary abortion, in the state, could face charges if they are found to have buried, flushed, or hidden evidence of their miscarriage.

Criminal Charges After Miscarriage? - WV MetroNews

Raleigh County Prosecutor Tom Truman, perhaps unknowingly and unintentionally, opened Pandora’s Box late Friday in an interview with Beckley television station WVNS. The station reached out to Truman seeking clarity on a provocative and troubling question: Could women in West Virginia who...

wvmetronews.com

Truman suggested calling 911, a doctor or law enforcement if worried about potential charges. He noted he would not be willing to file charges in such cases.

Based on the actual charges, this is just one more workaround proving that the states know they cant charge women with murder or criminal charges for having an abortion. Every time they use or create crap laws like this they are admitting it. Just like the other red states: none of them criminalize having an abortion...they criminalize providing them.

That's why they cant stop the pills (altho they're trying to stop access) or women driving to other states, killing their unborn, and returning. Because women's rights to bodily autonomy, life, due process, etc are federally protected and the states cant supersede that.

So this case uses laws regarding the disposal of human remains to go after women. It's cheap and low-brow and cruel. If there are actual remains that could be preserved (later into 2nd term), these would mostly be women that wanted the pregnancies. These laws end up mostly punishing women/couples that would be grieving a loss. Women choose abortions early, ~97% of the time. This wouldnt affect them much if at all.

 

[Questerr]

Conservatism is now all about the policing of individual behavior.

Always has been. Conservatives want a government small enough to fit into every bedroom and bathroom in America.

 

[j brown's body]

Watts is an inhuman monster who checked herself out of the hospital against medical advice twice and tried to hide her miscarriage by plunging her 21-week fetus down the toilet and clogging the plumbing with the remains.

Your opinion is noted but it does not contradict my point.

 

[j brown's body]

Stuff like what he's talking about happened before Dobbs.

US women are being jailed for having miscarriages

More and more American women are facing prison for allegedly harming their unborn baby by using drugs.

www.bbc.com

Even if personhood is assigned at birth, it doesn't take a genius to see how disposing of a late-term miscarriage (even if the death occurred before birth) can create evidence of infanticide.

Shouldn't infanticide involve an actual infant?

 

[Gordy327]

Watts is an inhuman monster who checked herself out of the hospital against medical advice twice and tried to hide her miscarriage by plunging her 21-week fetus down the toilet and clogging the plumbing with the remains.

She should have used drano and a plunger. Although incineration might have been a better method of disposal.

 

[Cosmo]

Shouldn't infanticide involve an actual infant?

Yes, but how would the cops know whether the child died before or after birth? What glaring physical difference is there between a child 10 seconds before birth and a child 10 seconds after birth that would make it obvious the child died before birth?