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Women lying to get married

RiverDad

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Here we go to Tunisia. Unmarried women are free to enjoy their sex lives but many of them resort to getting surgery so that the men they marry will be fooled into thinking that they're marrying a virgin. The fact that these women can actually have the freedom to engage in sex before marriage shows that they don't need to undergo surgery to rebuild a hymen, they simply don't want to be held accountable for their own decisions.

A woman is free to have sex outside of marriage and a man is free to want to marry a virgin bride.

It happens every April ahead of the summer marriage season, says Tunisian gynaecologist Faouzi Hajri -- desperate brides-to-be beg for surgery to make them "virgins" again for their wedding night.

Fearing rejection as "used" women in a conservative Muslim country where premarital sex is nevertheless common, Tunisian women are increasingly opting for the sort of surgery offered by Doctor Hajri.

But it doesn't stop them regretting the need to convince new husbands of their purity.

"A woman's honour shouldn't be determined by a few drops of blood," says Salima, a 32-year-old who admits she had the operation so that her "honour" was not in question on her wedding night.​

So lying to your husband for the rest of your life is how honor is measured? This woman made a choice to have sex. This courtship with her fiance clearly does not entail sex between the two. She gave herself to another man. Her husband to be has refrained from dishonoring her. He'd kick her to the curb if he knew the truth. He's being honorable in not sleeping with his intended and waiting until marriage and yet she's the one complaining about honor.

Demographic changes have reinforced personal freedoms, with sex outside marriage increasingly common and more people opting to marry later.

But conservative attitudes persist, and for many Tunisian men marrying a virgin remains a priority, hence the rising demand for hymen restorations.

For Tarek Belhadj Mohamed, a sociologist, such male attitudes reflect the "hypocrisy" of Tunisian society, which he said refuses to recognise the change in behaviour of a large section of the population.​

It's always the fault of men. To blame women for their own choices is simply not done. When a man wants a virgin bride it logically follows that he's not having sex with the woman from the moment he meets her, through his period of growing affection, through their courtship and right up until the wedding night. The man is not being a hypocrite. He's not demanding anything of his fiance that he's not willing to endure in his own life. Somehow though men who hold out for a virgin bride are to blame for women CHOOSING to have sex. The hypocrisy doesn't rest with the men, it rests with the women who undergo this surgery. They've made a choice and now don't want to face the consequences of their choice. The entire time that the man is courting the woman she is lying to him, pretending to be a virgin when she knows that she's laid with other men.

Salima agrees, despite having consented to the operation herself, saying she was forced into it by "the hypocrisy of men and of our society".

The young woman decided one day that she would be honest with her boyfriend, whom she had not slept with, and told him she was not a virgin.

"But as soon as he knew, he refused to marry and did everything he could to get me into his bed. That's the way Tunisian men think. A woman who has had sex before marriage is just a slut and can't be a good mother!"​

Salima was forced into having the operation? She wouldn't have been forced if she had chosen not to have sex. The only person forcing this on her is herself. She made the choice to lose her virginity, she chose to lie to her future husband. She had even lied to a previous boyfriend who had not had sex with her. She seems surprised that that boyfriend didn't want to marry her, but why is she surprised when she knew that he thought he was courting a virgin?

Men have every right to think what they want of non-virgin women. Women can tell these men to go to hell, that they're non-virgins and proud of it, and take the consequences which follow, but they don't. Instead they blame men for not accepting them as they are, damaged goods.

Another young woman, Sabra, believes unmarried women should have the right to a sex life just like the men, and that virginity is never a guarantee of fidelity.

But the 27-year-old also chose to lie and yield to social pressures, rather than run the risk of remaining single.

"If I had told my husband that I wasn't a virgin, he would never have agreed to marry me. And it's the same for many women in Tunisia."​

If virginity is not a guarantee of fidelity, then I'm not really seeing how lying is a better signal of fidelity.
 
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Here we go to Tunisia. Unmarried women are free to enjoy their sex lives but many of them resort to getting surgery so that the men they marry will be fooled into thinking that they're marrying a virgin. The fact that these women can actually have the freedom to engage in sex before marriage shows that they don't need to undergo surgery to rebuild a hymen, they simply don't want to be held accountable for their own decisions.

A woman is free to have sex outside of marriage and a man is free to want to marry a virgin bride.

It happens every April ahead of the summer marriage season, says Tunisian gynaecologist Faouzi Hajri -- desperate brides-to-be beg for surgery to make them "virgins" again for their wedding night.

Fearing rejection as "used" women in a conservative Muslim country where premarital sex is nevertheless common, Tunisian women are increasingly opting for the sort of surgery offered by Doctor Hajri.

But it doesn't stop them regretting the need to convince new husbands of their purity.

"A woman's honour shouldn't be determined by a few drops of blood," says Salima, a 32-year-old who admits she had the operation so that her "honour" was not in question on her wedding night.​

So lying to your husband for the rest of your life is how honor is measured? This woman made a choice to have sex. This courtship with her fiance clearly does not entail sex between the two. She gave herself to another man. Her husband to be has refrained from dishonoring her. He'd kick her to the curb if he knew the truth. He's being honorable in not sleeping with his intended and waiting until marriage and yet she's the one complaining about honor.

Demographic changes have reinforced personal freedoms, with sex outside marriage increasingly common and more people opting to marry later.

But conservative attitudes persist, and for many Tunisian men marrying a virgin remains a priority, hence the rising demand for hymen restorations.

For Tarek Belhadj Mohamed, a sociologist, such male attitudes reflect the "hypocrisy" of Tunisian society, which he said refuses to recognise the change in behaviour of a large section of the population.​

It's always the fault of men. To blame women for their own choices is simply not done. When a man wants a virgin bride it logically follows that he's not having sex with the woman from the moment he meets her, through his period of growing affection, through their courtship and right up until the wedding night. The man is not being a hypocrite. He's not demanding anything of his fiance that he's not willing to endure in his own life. Somehow though men who hold out for a virgin bride are to blame for women CHOOSING to have sex. The hypocrisy doesn't rest with the men, it rests with the women who undergo this surgery. They've made a choice and now don't want to face the consequences of their choice. The entire time that the man is courting the woman she is lying to him, pretending to be a virgin when she knows that she's laid with other men.

Salima agrees, despite having consented to the operation herself, saying she was forced into it by "the hypocrisy of men and of our society".

The young woman decided one day that she would be honest with her boyfriend, whom she had not slept with, and told him she was not a virgin.

"But as soon as he knew, he refused to marry and did everything he could to get me into his bed. That's the way Tunisian men think. A woman who has had sex before marriage is just a slut and can't be a good mother!"​

Salima was forced into having the operation? She wouldn't have been forced if she had chosen not to have sex. The only person forcing this on her is herself. She made the choice to lose her virginity, she chose to lie to her future husband. She had even lied to a previous boyfriend who had not had sex with her. She seems surprised that that boyfriend didn't want to marry her, but why is she surprised when she knew that he thought he was courting a virgin?

Men have every right to think what they want of non-virgin women. Women can tell these men to go to hell, that they're non-virgins and proud of it, and take the consequences which follow, but they don't. Instead they blame men for not accepting them as they are, damaged goods.

Another young woman, Sabra, believes unmarried women should have the right to a sex life just like the men, and that virginity is never a guarantee of fidelity.

But the 27-year-old also chose to lie and yield to social pressures, rather than run the risk of remaining single.

"If I had told my husband that I wasn't a virgin, he would never have agreed to marry me. And it's the same for many women in Tunisia."​

If virginity is not a guarantee of fidelity, then I'm not really seeing how lying is a better signal of fidelity.

Ah come off it! Everyone is in the know and the guys like it. They get the prestige of a virgin and the expert to make everyone happy.
 
Sounds to me like this has more to do with male hypocrisy than female virginity.

I never quite understood why ANY man would prefer inexperience.
 
Sounds to me like this has more to do with male hypocrisy than female virginity.

The man is not sleeping with the woman during the entire time he knows her. She's lying to him the entire time. How does this make him the hypocrite?

Women have every right to tell men who want a virgin bride to take a hike. Every right. They just need to face the consequences of their own choices.
 
The man is not sleeping with the woman during the entire time he knows her. She's lying to him the entire time. How does this make him the hypocrite?

Women have every right to tell men who want a virgin bride to take a hike. Every right. They just need to face the consequences of their own choices.

The male has a very wet wick...yet requires a bride who has never even had the candle lit.

She feels the need to lie because he only wants to drink the milk rather than own the cow.
 
Another hypocrisy here is that men in Tunisia want virgin brides. But they themselves could be willing to have sex prior to marriage as well. So with whom will they have sex then if all must remain virgins?
 
The male has a very wet wick...yet requires a bride who has never even had the candle lit.

She feels the need to lie because he only wants to drink the milk rather than own the cow.

You neglect the fact of female hypergamy. Women chase high-value men and those men gets lots of action. Eventually women give up on the high value men and look for more appropriate men, men far lower on the status totem pole, thus men who don't get much opportunity for sex. You're going to see a whole lot more male virgins that female virgins. Certainly not by choice for those men, but still.

Secondly, women can tell men to stuff it. If men want virgins and there are too few around, then that forces men to make choices. Either settle for a damaged woman or not.
 
Despicable and disgusting. I weep for the human species. "Damaged woman"... my god, what has this society come to??
 
Another hypocrisy here is that men in Tunisia want virgin brides. But they themselves could be willing to have sex prior to marriage as well. So with whom will they have sex then if all must remain virgins?

There's a difference between willing and achieving. The dynamic is the same all over the world, it's just amplified a whole lot in the West so take a look at this:

I am 23 years old, male, and have had sex with only three women. Most people would agree this is very few, especially considering I have only been in two relationships. I have not had sex for more than a year. I recently got to know someone close to my age, and we got on well. I found out, however, that she had slept with more than 50 men and was unable to put this out of my head. I find myself feeling disgusted and jealous towards women who have slept with many more people than me. But, at my age, it seems all attractive women are well into double figures. I feel trapped and that the older I get, the more extreme the issue will become.​

Women are attracted to higher status men. This means some men have a great time and lots and lots of variety while other men sit home and can't get lucky.
 
You neglect the fact of female hypergamy. Women chase high-value men and those men gets lots of action. Eventually women give up on the high value men and look for more appropriate men, men far lower on the status totem pole, thus men who don't get much opportunity for sex. You're going to see a whole lot more male virgins that female virgins. Certainly not by choice for those men, but still.

Secondly, women can tell men to stuff it. If men want virgins and there are too few around, then that forces men to make choices. Either settle for a damaged woman or not.

One can only hope you are as clear and honest with women about your "Opinions".....in this way we can be assured you will not reproduce and soil the species genetically.
 
Here we go to Tunisia. Unmarried women are free to enjoy their sex lives but many of them resort to getting surgery so that the men they marry will be fooled into thinking that they're marrying a virgin. The fact that these women can actually have the freedom to engage in sex before marriage shows that they don't need to undergo surgery to rebuild a hymen, they simply don't want to be held accountable for their own decisions.

Seriously? Are you somehow mentaly stuck in the 1950s?

It id nothing but disgusting and repulsive as you somehow try to demonise women as sluts whilest not even taking the social enviorment into consideration.

People like you should be deported to Saudi Arabia or Iran, so you can live amongst your kind.
 
Sounds to me like this has more to do with male hypocrisy than female virginity.

I never quite understood why ANY man would prefer inexperience.
When you get with a virgin yes you have to put in time but you get to be their first lover and if you are good you teach them to be good.

I like that I got to be that for Evan
 
I agree that it is off putting that western women are so liberal. Their culture is degenerate and deranged. And it is normal for females to have many many sexual partners. By the time they are getting married you may as well be getting married to a hooker.

Western women are enough to make you want to join the Amish. Or buy a hot Philippino bride. Philippino brides are very affordable when compared to say a Russian or Ukrainian. Philippinos can be quite hot. In my opinion they are much better value. More bang for the buck.

It seems to me that western women have priced themselves right out of the ballgame in many ways. Also the slut walks. And all that liberation stuff. It is not attractive. I prefer modesty and chastity.

Modesty and chastity are more attractive and desirable than whatever you would say western women are. For the most part. Like I dont mean to stereotype. If you are reading this and are offended I dont mean you.

And I agree that the women claiming to be virgins in Tunisia or anywhere else to fool a man into marrying them have nobody to blame but themselves for their actions. They are free to seek a husband that is a virgin if they feel so strongly about it.

One thing people might not want to discuss is the physical aspect of all of this. When a man loses his virginity there is no change to his body. On the other hand. When a female loses her virginity. And especially if they engage in sexual relationships after losing their virginity before meeting their husband then their vagina will be different. This is what is meant by the whole 'damaged goods' thing. We in the west valued chastity once. We would say that. But our society is so degenerate now that nobody remembers that chastity is of value. Also, people just get divorced these days because they meet some guy that has awesome sideburns and also they would like to take an art class. And have a career. Even if they already had children that have not grown up yet. Because they are worth it. The ladies, not the children..

So the big thing to remember is that females actually do change their vagina by having sex. Men do not change the size or appearance of our penes by having sex. This is important to remember. Just to ram this point home for you. Imagine if your wife used to date some Tunisian porn star? Now she is just not going to be the same on the honeymoon as if she was a virgin. The man on the other hand. The man could happily date a porn star. Like a female one. And this would not change his penis in any way. Do you see what I am saying?

I believe that western female culture is an attack on my Junzi.
 
Seriously? Are you somehow mentaly stuck in the 1950s?

It id nothing but disgusting and repulsive as you somehow try to demonise women as sluts whilest not even taking the social enviorment into consideration.

People like you should be deported to Saudi Arabia or Iran, so you can live amongst your kind.
I don't see how he is demonizing women or calling them sluts. The women in the article made the conscious choice to have sex before marriage, something that they have every right to do. These same women are then having surgery so they can pass themselves off as virgins on their wedding night, again something they have every right to do. But, in the end, what they are doing is lying to the men they marry, men who prefer to marry virgins.

This whole thread is about adults making conscious choices, choices informed by their own standards, morals, and preferences. The only choice being criticized by the OP, to my understanding, is the conscious choice to lie to prospective husbands about one's status as a virgin.

Is it hypocritical to not expect the same virginity of men? Yes.
Is it a horrible cultural attitude? Yes.
Is it sexist? Yes.
Is the OP calling the women whores? No.
 
A woman is free to have sex outside of marriage and a man is free to want to marry a virgin bride.

True. Personally, I would RUN as far as possible from any regressive guy who only wanted to date and/or marry a virgin. I find such a person utterly creepy.

Then again, I'd dump any guy who tried to pressure me into marriage, so I think this whole article is rather stupid to begin with.
 
There's a difference between willing and achieving. The dynamic is the same all over the world, it's just amplified a whole lot in the West so take a look at this:

I am 23 years old, male, and have had sex with only three women. Most people would agree this is very few, especially considering I have only been in two relationships. I have not had sex for more than a year. I recently got to know someone close to my age, and we got on well. I found out, however, that she had slept with more than 50 men and was unable to put this out of my head. I find myself feeling disgusted and jealous towards women who have slept with many more people than me. But, at my age, it seems all attractive women are well into double figures. I feel trapped and that the older I get, the more extreme the issue will become.​

Women are attracted to higher status men. This means some men have a great time and lots and lots of variety while other men sit home and can't get lucky.

50 men?

Yeesh. I'd just keep right on walking.

The odds are that she's crawling with something or other contagious already, and has been for quite some time.
 
Here we go to Tunisia. Unmarried women are free to enjoy their sex lives but many of them resort to getting surgery so that the men they marry will be fooled into thinking that they're marrying a virgin. The fact that these women can actually have the freedom to engage in sex before marriage shows that they don't need to undergo surgery to rebuild a hymen, they simply don't want to be held accountable for their own decisions.

A woman is free to have sex outside of marriage and a man is free to want to marry a virgin bride.

It happens every April ahead of the summer marriage season, says Tunisian gynaecologist Faouzi Hajri -- desperate brides-to-be beg for surgery to make them "virgins" again for their wedding night.

Fearing rejection as "used" women in a conservative Muslim country where premarital sex is nevertheless common, Tunisian women are increasingly opting for the sort of surgery offered by Doctor Hajri.

But it doesn't stop them regretting the need to convince new husbands of their purity.

"A woman's honour shouldn't be determined by a few drops of blood," says Salima, a 32-year-old who admits she had the operation so that her "honour" was not in question on her wedding night.​

So lying to your husband for the rest of your life is how honor is measured? This woman made a choice to have sex. This courtship with her fiance clearly does not entail sex between the two. She gave herself to another man. Her husband to be has refrained from dishonoring her. He'd kick her to the curb if he knew the truth. He's being honorable in not sleeping with his intended and waiting until marriage and yet she's the one complaining about honor.

Demographic changes have reinforced personal freedoms, with sex outside marriage increasingly common and more people opting to marry later.

But conservative attitudes persist, and for many Tunisian men marrying a virgin remains a priority, hence the rising demand for hymen restorations.

For Tarek Belhadj Mohamed, a sociologist, such male attitudes reflect the "hypocrisy" of Tunisian society, which he said refuses to recognise the change in behaviour of a large section of the population.​

It's always the fault of men. To blame women for their own choices is simply not done. When a man wants a virgin bride it logically follows that he's not having sex with the woman from the moment he meets her, through his period of growing affection, through their courtship and right up until the wedding night. The man is not being a hypocrite. He's not demanding anything of his fiance that he's not willing to endure in his own life. Somehow though men who hold out for a virgin bride are to blame for women CHOOSING to have sex. The hypocrisy doesn't rest with the men, it rests with the women who undergo this surgery. They've made a choice and now don't want to face the consequences of their choice. The entire time that the man is courting the woman she is lying to him, pretending to be a virgin when she knows that she's laid with other men.

Salima agrees, despite having consented to the operation herself, saying she was forced into it by "the hypocrisy of men and of our society".

The young woman decided one day that she would be honest with her boyfriend, whom she had not slept with, and told him she was not a virgin.

"But as soon as he knew, he refused to marry and did everything he could to get me into his bed. That's the way Tunisian men think. A woman who has had sex before marriage is just a slut and can't be a good mother!"​

Salima was forced into having the operation? She wouldn't have been forced if she had chosen not to have sex. The only person forcing this on her is herself. She made the choice to lose her virginity, she chose to lie to her future husband. She had even lied to a previous boyfriend who had not had sex with her. She seems surprised that that boyfriend didn't want to marry her, but why is she surprised when she knew that he thought he was courting a virgin?

Men have every right to think what they want of non-virgin women. Women can tell these men to go to hell, that they're non-virgins and proud of it, and take the consequences which follow, but they don't. Instead they blame men for not accepting them as they are, damaged goods.

Another young woman, Sabra, believes unmarried women should have the right to a sex life just like the men, and that virginity is never a guarantee of fidelity.

But the 27-year-old also chose to lie and yield to social pressures, rather than run the risk of remaining single.

"If I had told my husband that I wasn't a virgin, he would never have agreed to marry me. And it's the same for many women in Tunisia."​

If virginity is not a guarantee of fidelity, then I'm not really seeing how lying is a better signal of fidelity.

I think the whole entire thing is stupid from every angle. For one thing, you only do it once and then you aren't a virgin anymore. :roll: Also, it's stupid of these women to lie, and if the men they are trying to entice with their surgically enhanced vaginas are only interested in virginity, then that's a sign of a real sickness too, IMO. Usually, the only women who are going to be virgins are the butt-ugly ones.
 
The man is not sleeping with the woman during the entire time he knows her. She's lying to him the entire time. How does this make him the hypocrite?

Women have every right to tell men who want a virgin bride to take a hike. Every right. They just need to face the consequences of their own choices.

Really? Where is the data showing the man is a virgin....or has disclosed this status to his girlfriend? Or isnt sleeping with someone else at the same time?

Do you REALLY think the men are abstaining? LOLOLOL And the women arent that stupid either.
 
Secondly, women can tell men to stuff it. If men want virgins and there are too few around, then that forces men to make choices. Either settle for a damaged woman or not.


How is she 'damaged?' The article didnt say that, so your personal judgments are showing. Not that that is remotely surprising.

I laugh when I think of people like you resenting women enjoying sex and choosing their own destinies and not being diminished by men into some sort of 2nd class citizen.

Yeah....tough luck huh? LOL
 
One thing people might not want to discuss is the physical aspect of all of this. When a man loses his virginity there is no change to his body. On the other hand. When a female loses her virginity. And especially if they engage in sexual relationships after losing their virginity before meeting their husband then their vagina will be different. This is what is meant by the whole 'damaged goods' thing. We in the west valued chastity once. We would say that. But our society is so degenerate now that nobody remembers that chastity is of value. Also, people just get divorced these days because they meet some guy that has awesome sideburns and also they would like to take an art class. And have a career. Even if they already had children that have not grown up yet. Because they are worth it. The ladies, not the children..

So the big thing to remember is that females actually do change their vagina by having sex. Men do not change the size or appearance of our penes by having sex. This is important to remember. Just to ram this point home for you. Imagine if your wife used to date some Tunisian porn star? Now she is just not going to be the same on the honeymoon as if she was a virgin. The man on the other hand. The man could happily date a porn star. Like a female one. And this would not change his penis in any way. Do you see what I am saying?

I believe that western female culture is an attack on my Junzi.


This ignorance cant be real, this must be a troll.

A vagina is not 'damaged' by use. And a woman is only a virgin ONCE...after that it's the same for the husband anyway. It's a matter of possessiveness...and too bad....women no longer choose to be possessed...they choose to enjoy life.

And you're probably right...penises dont change. If you are stuck with a small one, you're stuck.
 
It's always the fault of men. To blame women for their own choices is simply not done. When a man wants a virgin bride it logically follows that he's not having sex with the woman from the moment he meets her, through his period of growing affection, through their courtship and right up until the wedding night. The man is not being a hypocrite. He's not demanding anything of his fiance that he's not willing to endure in his own life. Somehow though men who hold out for a virgin bride are to blame for women CHOOSING to have sex. The hypocrisy doesn't rest with the men, it rests with the women who undergo this surgery. They've made a choice and now don't want to face the consequences of their choice. The entire time that the man is courting the woman she is lying to him, pretending to be a virgin when she knows that she's laid with other men.
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Just out of curiosity, are the men also expected to be virgins when they marry, or is it only the women? If the latter is the case (which I highly suspect it is), this is nothing but a double standard and hypocrisy on the part of men in that society. How very surprising. (sarcasm)
 
There's a difference between willing and achieving. The dynamic is the same all over the world, it's just amplified a whole lot in the West so take a look at this:

I am 23 years old, male, and have had sex with only three women. Most people would agree this is very few, especially considering I have only been in two relationships. I have not had sex for more than a year. I recently got to know someone close to my age, and we got on well. I found out, however, that she had slept with more than 50 men and was unable to put this out of my head. I find myself feeling disgusted and jealous towards women who have slept with many more people than me. But, at my age, it seems all attractive women are well into double figures. I feel trapped and that the older I get, the more extreme the issue will become.​

Women are attracted to higher status men. This means some men have a great time and lots and lots of variety while other men sit home and can't get lucky.

So? So what? Is your expectation that life be fair? What's your point besides blaming women for no reason?

How about unattractive women? They could say the same....men are attracted to beautiful women and lots of unnattrative or even ordinary women get stuck sitting at home. They have much less chance of getting a 'high status' husband, dont they?

I guess all the poor guys will be stuck with ugly women in your world. Oh well. According to you, that's 'natural.'
 
The man is not sleeping with the woman during the entire time he knows her. She's lying to him the entire time. How does this make him the hypocrite?

Women have every right to tell men who want a virgin bride to take a hike. Every right. They just need to face the consequences of their own choices.

Just curious....if all these women are after men for their $$, do you have the data on how many of the men lie to the women about their bank accounts? Their 'prospects?'

I hope you arent thinking that all the men are being upfront with the women about that? Because I'm sure all of us know of that happening even here in America....men pretending to be more than they are to 'get' women. Especially to get them into bed, lol.
 
Just out of curiosity, are the men also expected to be virgins when they marry, or is it only the women? If the latter is the case (which I highly suspect it is), this is nothing but a double standard and hypocrisy on the part of men in that society. How very surprising. (sarcasm)

Just out of curiosity, should men be taller than their bride, should men earn more money than their bride, is it acceptable that the man be an unemployed bum while the woman is working during their entire courtship, etc?

I don't see any relationships where the husband is 12 inches shorter than the wife, has never worked, has no accomplishments compared to his wife, etc but these status-disparate marriages are quite often seen where the woman is one foot shorter than her husband, the husband is the sole breadwinner, etc.

So if you're on a jihad against double standards then it would help your case to not just cry about the standards applied to women while forgetting the standards that women apply to men.
 
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