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Women are not ‘community property,’ a Georgia judge rules

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The judge lays out a powerful argument that opposition to abortion is not moral or medical, but a political position that exists primarily to oppress women by forcing them to serve as human incubators.

"A former federal prosecutor and Harvard Law School graduate appointed to the bench by a Republican governor, McBurney didn’t mince words as he found the Georgia law violated the state constitution. He called out the “awkwardly arbitrary” limit set by the Georgia abortion law, which prohibits abortion once there is a “detectable human heartbeat.” As McBurney observed, at this stage “the ‘heart’ is a tiny cluster of cells that periodically pulse, pushing blood through the quarter-inch embryo that still sports a vestigial tail.” And why draw the line there? Georgia “was unable to articulate why a four- or five-week-old unborn child’s life was not worth enough to protect,” McBurney noted. “A five-week-old pregnancy is no more viable that a nine-week-old, but women are free to end such pregnancies (if they can detect them).

”McBurney was blunt: Georgia, he wrote, “has seized upon a point in gestation that has political salience, rather than medical or moral salience.” Blunter still, and more important, he was unsparing in his language about what it means, legally and practically, to force women to continue pregnancies against their will.

As a legal matter, “Women are not some piece of collectively owned community property the disposition of which is decided by majority vote,” McBurney wrote. “Forcing a woman to carry an unwanted, not-yet-viable fetus to term violates her constitutional rights to liberty and privacy, even taking into consideration whatever bundle of rights the not-yet-viable fetus may have.”

As a practical matter, McBurney was even clearer about the implications of requiring women to “serve as human incubators for the five months leading up to viability.”


“It is not for a legislator, a judge, or a Commander from The Handmaid’s Tale to tell these women what to do with their bodies during this period when the fetus cannot survive outside the womb any more so than society could — or should — force them to serve as a human tissue bank or to give up a kidney for the benefit of another,” McBurney wrote. “... When someone other than the pregnant woman is able to sustain the fetus, then — and only then — should those other voices have a say in the discussion about the decisions the pregnant woman makes concerning her body and what is growing within it.”"

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“It is not for a legislator, a judge, or a Commander from The Handmaid’s Tale to tell these women what to do with their bodies during this period when the fetus cannot survive outside the womb any more so than society could — or should — force them to serve as a human tissue bank or to give up a kidney for the benefit of another,” McBurney wrote. “... When someone other than the pregnant woman is able to sustain the fetus, then — and only then — should those other voices have a say in the discussion about the decisions the pregnant woman makes concerning her body and what is growing within it.”"

Or to prevent her from selling one of her kidneys.

It's her body, correct? Perhaps a "pro-choice" advocate could explain why it's morally wrong for the state to prohibit her from having an abortion, but perfectly fine for the same state to prohibit her from selling one of her kidneys. You can't have it both ways.
 
The judge lays out a powerful argument that opposition to abortion is not moral or medical, but a political position that exists primarily to oppress women by forcing them to serve as human incubators.

"A former federal prosecutor and Harvard Law School graduate appointed to the bench by a Republican governor, McBurney didn’t mince words as he found the Georgia law violated the state constitution. He called out the “awkwardly arbitrary” limit set by the Georgia abortion law, which prohibits abortion once there is a “detectable human heartbeat.” As McBurney observed, at this stage “the ‘heart’ is a tiny cluster of cells that periodically pulse, pushing blood through the quarter-inch embryo that still sports a vestigial tail.” And why draw the line there? Georgia “was unable to articulate why a four- or five-week-old unborn child’s life was not worth enough to protect,” McBurney noted. “A five-week-old pregnancy is no more viable that a nine-week-old, but women are free to end such pregnancies (if they can detect them).

”McBurney was blunt: Georgia, he wrote, “has seized upon a point in gestation that has political salience, rather than medical or moral salience.” Blunter still, and more important, he was unsparing in his language about what it means, legally and practically, to force women to continue pregnancies against their will.

As a legal matter, “Women are not some piece of collectively owned community property the disposition of which is decided by majority vote,” McBurney wrote. “Forcing a woman to carry an unwanted, not-yet-viable fetus to term violates her constitutional rights to liberty and privacy, even taking into consideration whatever bundle of rights the not-yet-viable fetus may have.”

As a practical matter, McBurney was even clearer about the implications of requiring women to “serve as human incubators for the five months leading up to viability.”


“It is not for a legislator, a judge, or a Commander from The Handmaid’s Tale to tell these women what to do with their bodies during this period when the fetus cannot survive outside the womb any more so than society could — or should — force them to serve as a human tissue bank or to give up a kidney for the benefit of another,” McBurney wrote. “... When someone other than the pregnant woman is able to sustain the fetus, then — and only then — should those other voices have a say in the discussion about the decisions the pregnant woman makes concerning her body and what is growing within it.”"

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Interesting. While I agree, given Dobbs, what was the Constitutional basis for this?
 
Or to prevent her from selling one of her kidneys.

It's her body, correct? Perhaps a "pro-choice" advocate could explain why it's morally wrong for the state to prohibit her from having an abortion, but perfectly fine for the same state to prohibit her from selling one of her kidneys. You can't have it both ways.

I am pro choice, but I cannot "explain" what you just said....because I do not believe what you just said.
 
Or to prevent her from selling one of her kidneys.

It's her body, correct? Perhaps a "pro-choice" advocate could explain why it's morally wrong for the state to prohibit her from having an abortion, but perfectly fine for the same state to prohibit her from selling one of her kidneys. You can't have it both ways.
Non sensical connection you are attempting there.
 
Or to prevent her from selling one of her kidneys.

It's her body, correct? Perhaps a "pro-choice" advocate could explain why it's morally wrong for the state to prohibit her from having an abortion, but perfectly fine for the same state to prohibit her from selling one of her kidneys. You can't have it both ways.

Who is trying to have it both ways?
 
Or to prevent her from selling one of her kidneys.

It's her body, correct? Perhaps a "pro-choice" advocate could explain why it's morally wrong for the state to prohibit her from having an abortion, but perfectly fine for the same state to prohibit her from selling one of her kidneys. You can't have it both ways.

You are adding a financial interaction with your argument.
Maybe you consider comparing this view on abortion to one about giving a kidney.
 
While I agree, given Dobbs, what was the Constitutional basis for this?

The answer is contained in the provided text.

Edit to correct grammar.
 
You are adding a financial interaction with your argument.

What difference does that make? The doctor performing the abortion gets paid, does he not?

Suppose a rich man gets his mistress pregnant. Not only does he offer to pay for the abortion, but he offers her a cash sum for her trouble.

Should that be illegal?
 
What difference does that make? The doctor performing the abortion gets paid, does he not?

Suppose a rich man gets his mistress pregnant. Not only does he offer to pay for the abortion, but he offers her a cash sum for her trouble.

Should that be illegal?
Guess you like pretzels a lot. What you suggest seems to be a topic for sitting around on a porch watching the sun set. So very convoluted.
 
That won't hold. SCOTUS overturned the right to privacy with Dobbs, alas.

Dobbs turned it to the states, right? This ruling is based on the state constitution.
 
What difference does that make? The doctor performing the abortion gets paid, does he not?

Suppose a rich man gets his mistress pregnant. Not only does he offer to pay for the abortion, but he offers her a cash sum for her trouble.

Should that be illegal?
In Louisiana that would be illegal now.
 
Where life begins is a technical definition. Using a heartbeat can be considered 'arbitrary' but that's an artifact of the continuous process of human creation. It's like asking as a rock grows in size, when does a 'rock' become a 'bolder'? There's no one point where that transition happens. However just because you cannot define it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I should also add that a (non-biased) judge should refrain from adding political commentary to a ruling.
 
Or to prevent her from selling one of her kidneys. It's her body, correct? Perhaps a "pro-choice" advocate could explain why it's morally wrong for the state to prohibit her from having an abortion, but perfectly fine for the same state to prohibit her from selling one of her kidneys. You can't have it both ways.
I read this post, got up to get a cup of coffee and then re-read hoping it didn't sound as pathetic as it did the first time. It still does.... :rolleyes:
I doubt the anti-abortion crowd really argues for complete autonomy if abortion is a right. But why stop at selling body parts, why not make prostitution legal- her body, right????
I don't see the pro-choice movement banding together and demanding no sale body parts, perhaps finally agreeing a woman isn't community property will open the gates to selling off body parts and renting the vagina out to lonely men whose wives don't kneel anymore for the warmup once he put a ring on it... ✌️
 
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