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Witness to Discrimination: What Would You Do?

new coup for you said:
Yes, and that's wrong, however it's not argument for tolerating job discrimination.
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But there is no valid argument for forcing employers to do something they don't want to do. You strip them of their right to free association if you do that.
 
new coup for you said:
It will result in segregation.
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Then I would say that is the market playing out.

Social segregation is a fact of life, however. I don't think for one minute that there aren't some people who would keep to their own but with our society's pluralism, I highly doubt all out segregation would occur.

It can't occur in any government capacity. Schools cannot be segregated. Public offices cannot be segregated. Why would you want to tell some guy who worked his whole life to own a store that he HAS to hire black or gay or latino or french or blonde or brunette employees if he simply doesn't want to do so?
 
jallman said:
I wouldn't personally support them, no. I also wouldn't have much to do with the type of person who would support them.
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Well, that was the entire South.

Some things don't operate as a market. Blacks didnt have a choice, it was all segregated.

So you advocate desgregated schools and government facilities. Great. Can blacks go to the grocery store in this scenario? Buy a house in this scenario? Do any of the things normal citizens are afforded?

How do you think your liberal tolerate attitude developed? Segregation will perpetuate itself endlessly unless it's stopped on all levels.
 
I personally wouldn't want to work for someone who was bigoted against whites. If someone doesn't want me to work for them because of the colour of my skin, then I want to know about it so that I can avoid contributing to their wealth.

The last thing I would want is for some racist scumbag to be forced to play nicey nice and give me a job. Then I would spend hours working my *** off for their benefit to no avail when I could have been actually working my way up in a company that actually valued me.
 
1069 said:
It is actual.
The jews have it and are protected by it every bit as much as WASPS or any other variation of whitebread.
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Evidently not if 66% of the religiously motivated hate crimes are against jews who make up only a few percent of Americans.
 
"But what if you witnessed "Islamophobia" in action and saw someone being victimized because of someone else's prejudices? What would you do?"
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I would be personally horrified, but what I would do is more complicated. The last thing I would do would be to publicly challenge an already hostile bigot, which could escalate the situation and perhaps hurt the Muslim woman even further.

I'm not sure what I would do, but my first instinct would be to somehow make it clear that I did not view this woman the same way, hopefully without appearing condescending or pitying.

Before I began to write out this answer, I assumed that I would definitely look into taking some sort of legitimate action against the abusive person, as long as I could realistically ensure it wouldn't result in the Muslim woman being targeted further out of revenge. But I'm not so sure this would be meaningful - it is highly unlikely to cause the guy to see the error of his ways and be blissfully thankful and kind. I'm afraid that punishing bigotry is a surefire way to make it even worse.

Tough issue that could use more open discussion.
 
new coup for you said:
so he blatantly misused the statistic. i stand by my former satement.
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Prove that he did. He used it out of context, and may not have been aware of it. You now have the correct statistics, and I have shown how they are not bs.

lets define what "hate crime" is, shall we? someone calling you a kike, or me a fag for that matter, is not an issue we have to care about.
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Irrelevant. I'll go with what is defined in the legal statutes. If you want to debate whether hate crimes should exist or not, that is for another thread. Fact is, they do. Fact is the statistics are real.
 
Jray said:
Schools are still very segregated.
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The problem of segregated and substandard public schools for minority youth is worse in many ways than it was before Brown vs. the Board of Education.
It is the elephant in the living room; a problem that is not talked about because it was already "solved" almost fifty years ago, even though it keeps getting worse and worse and worse.
 
I personally wouldn't want to work for someone who was bigoted against whites. If someone doesn't want me to work for them because of the colour of my skin, then I want to know about it so that I can avoid contributing to their wealth.

The last thing I would want is for some racist scumbag to be forced to play nicey nice and give me a job. Then I would spend hours working my *** off for their benefit to no avail when I could have been actually working my way up in a company that actually valued me.
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I agree, and thus despise Affirmative Action and the concept of hiring "tokens" in business. What's the point anyways...to keep the government a little more off your back? Freedom of association, as was mentioned earlier.

People segregate. It's simple fact. They do it by race, religion, economic status, anything you can think of. That's fine. I wouldn't force a white man to hire a black man anymore than I would force a Christian to hire a Jew. It's shown everywhere you look that people migrate to their own. Who is anyone to go around breaking that up because they have some inner sense of justice they need to invoke on other people?
 
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