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With trial underway, Trump appeals New York judge's fraud ruling

Cope said:
I don't find him ethical, or moral, or truthful.

I honestly think my sticking point is that I have done both of the things that he is being found guilty of.
I have over valued my net worth to get a loan (but they check)
I have attempted to undervalue my properties for tax purposes (but they check also)
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Yeah, I figure that's true of most people. I think the difference is in the excessive, over the top bluster of it all. Besides, you have a conscience, he doesn't.
 
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Mach said:
I'll be honest. The more I read of this stuff, the more I think I'm the sucker following the rules.
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That pretty much sums up why that law, NYS Executive law § 63(12), exists. It was enacted by Republican Jacob Javits in 1956 when he was the AG before being elected Senator.
 
Superfly said:
They are epidemiologists now, over in the Covid thread. Next week, you will find them in the Environmental subforums, saying there is no such thing as climate change.

They bounce all over the forum, imparting their YouTube or Tiktok obtained wisdom.
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If you don’t waste your time at a leftist indoctrination centre like these so-called experts, you can learn all you need to know about any subject from watching tv.
 
Cope said:
I honestly think my sticking point is that I have done both of the things that he is being found guilty of.
I have over valued my net worth to get a loan (but they check)
I have attempted to undervalue my properties for tax purposes (but they check also)
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Welcome to reality. Laws are broken all day, every day. Most are deemed not worthy of investigation, they have limited time and resources.
You would not be charged for a crime, they would tell you to stop, maybe a small fine at most I'm guessing.
But who would tell? The banks benefit, you benefit...so the two of you keep quiet. Your fraudulent activity is not dependent on the bank.

Meanwhile, the defendants in this case did it for many years, over and over, on many things. They made enormous gains. And they are NOT being charged with a crime on this so far, just civil action (penalties for breaking the law).

And they were investigated as part of other ongoing criminal investigations, which is key here, and in most similar cases. Someone has to blow the whistle, and it has to be a big enough case or egregious enough to warrant investigation.

Once investigated and they find evidence of crimes, they are under an obligation to consider legal action.
 
Decypher said:
If you don’t waste your time at a leftist indoctrination centre like these so-called experts, you can learn all you need to know about any subject from watching tv.
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Sad but true. My dear mother suggested I watch Mark Levin to learn about technology. I gently told her that he's a political entertainer. She disagreed. I don't talk politics with my parents.
 
Mach said:
Welcome to reality. Laws are broken all day, every day. Most are deemed not worthy of investigation, they have limited time and resources.
You would not be charged for a crime, they would tell you to stop, maybe a small fine at most I'm guessing.
But who would tell? The banks benefit, you benefit...so the two of you keep quiet. Your fraudulent activity is not dependent on the bank.

Meanwhile, the defendants in this case did it for many years, over and over, on many things. They made enormous gains. And they are NOT being charged with a crime on this so far, just civil action (penalties for breaking the law).

And they were investigated as part of other ongoing criminal investigations, which is key here, and in most similar cases. Someone has to blow the whistle, and it has to be a big enough case or egregious enough to warrant investigation.

Once investigated and they find evidence of crimes, they are under an obligation to consider legal action.
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And clearly this one was big enough for the AG to campaign on.
 
Cope said:
I don't find him ethical, or moral, or truthful.

I honestly think my sticking point is that I have done both of the things that he is being found guilty of.
I have over valued my net worth to get a loan (but they check)
I have attempted to undervalue my properties for tax purposes (but they check also)
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Have you ever claimed a market value for your property that was based on a different zoning than you were in?
Have you ever claimed your property to be 10X larger than it was?
 
Quag said:
Not really that surprising

The MAGA sphere is throwing all this nonsense out there and the cultists lap it up as they always doas they dont trust any source that isnt MAGA
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I was lurking in one of the live streams going on outside the DC jail last night. The streamer actually told his viewers that the NY case is a waste of everyone's time because the judge already dismissed 80% of the cases and the remaining 20% is a joke. And, just as I expected his viewers were all smiles and hearts. With around 160 people viewing that stream not a single person stepped up to correct him.

Reality is what Trump says it is.
 
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Mach said:
Well yeah, that's a good thing right? AG going after high profile crime that has national implications. That's good right? Law and order?
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Mixed bag to me.

I don't like partisanship, and I don't like political law enforcement, but I do like the law enforced. Now if she would follow up with Hunter, or some other high profile Democrat, I'd be in hog heaven.
 
Cope said:
Mixed bag to me.

I don't like partisanship, and I don't like political law enforcement, but I do like the law enforced. Now if she would follow up with Hunter, or some other high profile Democrat, I'd be in hog heaven.
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This goes against what you said in the first sentence.
 
SCrider said:
This goes against what you said in the first sentence.
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And why do you think that is?
Because it wouldn't be balanced , a Trump for a Biden? If she did follow it up, according to the law, going after big crime on both sides (which is exactly what I said) then that would be most excellent.
 
Cope said:
And why do you think that is?
Because it wouldn't be balanced , a Trump for a Biden?
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Do the Bidens even live or do business in NY? that might be the first problem.

Second, you are saying that because a GOP criminal gets caught a Democrat needs to be charged as well to make it balanced.
sounds pretty ****ing partisan to me.
 
SCrider said:
Do the Bidens even live or do business in NY? that might be the first problem.
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Oh I imagine some do.
SCrider said:
Second, you are saying that because a GOP criminal gets caught a Democrat needs to be charged as well to make it balanced.
sounds pretty ****ing partisan to me.
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Not need be, should be, as they are all criminals.

And here you are already starting the defense of all things Democrat, before anything has even been pointed to.

I guess you are free to hold whatever partisan viewpoint you'd like but me saying they should take them all down (from both parties) is about as far from partisan as you'll find here.
 
Cope said:
Oh I imagine some do.

Not need be, should be, as they are all criminals.

And here you are already starting the defense of all things Democrat, before anything has even been pointed to.

I guess you are free to hold whatever partisan viewpoint you'd like but me saying they should take them all down (from both parties) is about as far from partisan as you'll find here.
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So any random Biden will do? eye for an eye for Trump. got it.
 
SCrider said:
So any random Biden will do? eye for an eye for Trump. got it.
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The fact that you can't see what i've said just confirms you are being blinded by your own bias.

I'd get that checked out if I were you.

Any random high profile Dem will do.
 
Cope said:
Mixed bag to me.I don't like partisanship, and I don't like political law enforcement, but I do like the law enforced. Now if she would follow up with Hunter, or some other high profile Democrat, I'd be in hog heaven.
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FBI already investigated him, and couldn't substantiate criminal charges back in 2018 (ish?)
Then he was assigned investigation in the Trump administration by Weiss, for years..not much to see.
This rolled over to recently, and he was given special counsel status.
He did come up with a few charges that normally aren't something you prosecute unless connected to other crimes, and some tax fraud.
He'll plead to these, it's not a big deal for the nation, I don't even know why it matters at a national political level. I mean, I know why they are doing it, to dirty up Joe Biden.
 
Cope said:
The fact that you can't see what i've said just confirms you are being blinded by your own bias.
I'd get that checked out if I were you.
Any random high profile Dem will do.
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Well yeah, (D) Bob Menedez is gonna get his.
But going after people just because they are a high profile (D) is inappropriate.

The question is, if Republicans engage in widespread crimes, will the public view that as law enforcement appropriately administering justice, or will they cry victim and claim its political? Clearly the latter, but if it's not true, then what? You have to choose. Law and order, or politics. It's an easy choice, for some.
 
Mach said:
Well yeah, (D) Bob Menedez is gonna get his.
But going after people just because they are a high profile (D) is inappropriate.
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If it were me, I'd go after all high profile politicians equally across the board. Open em up and let's see who is who.
Mach said:
The question is, if Republicans engage in widespread crimes, will the public view that as law enforcement appropriately administering justice, or will they cry victim and claim its political? Clearly the latter, but if it's not true, then what? You have to choose. Law and order, or politics. It's an easy choice, for some.
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My personal opinion is that if it just one party that gets targeted, that would be bad (even though they are probably guilty)
Then we would have States attacking the opposite party folks, or Federal ones when the administration shifts.

That is the direction we've been headed for a good while now.
 
Cope said:
Yes, I tried to get an Ag exemption one time by placing a few bird feeders.
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That's a far cry from what Trump did. He based an evaluation on a zoning he did not have. He appraised it as residential with development potential and it is zoned as a club and the deed is written in such a way that it cannot be changed or developed. That's fraud.
 
Cope said:
The fact that you can't see what i've said just confirms you are being blinded by your own bias.

I'd get that checked out if I were you.

Any random high profile Dem will do.
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🤣:rolleyes:
 
Cope said:
Yes, I tried to get an Ag exemption one time by placing a few bird feeders.
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Callen said:
That's a far cry from what Trump did. He based an evaluation on a zoning he did not have. He appraised it as residential with development potential and it is zoned as a club and the deed is written in such a way that it cannot be changed or developed. That's fraud.
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I don't know, I'd say it's still well above ....

..... ..... ..... ..... ..... Buring your ex-wife on your golf course for a cemetery exemption.

WW
 
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