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stop, just stop already, you keep trotting this out, and it keeps getting smacked down....those 'union dues' come out of wages earned by the employee...you are implying that the employee hasnt earned this money, and that the state is just 'giving away' tax payer money to cover the dues...you know this is wrong, why on God's green earth do you keep trotting this line of bs out?
rich people made the poor people's lives better by building things like Walmarts and lowering their cost of living.
coming from Moore, though, the whole thing is rather rich.
WalMart is an excellent example of corporate hypocrisy taken to the nth degree. Sam Walton is in love with small town America so much that he virtually destroys its economic way of life by running small town main street right out of business replacing it with ugly boxes filled with crap from China. What a way to honor small town America.
Just goes to show the hypocrisy of a liberal who is always concerned about the "little guy" but not about how little they pay for Wal-Mart goods and services. That evil corporation is the largest employer in the country and provides goods and services at lower prices for that "little guy." Wal-Mart is an incredible corporate citizen, creates a lot of opportunities for the employees, and generates incredible tax revenue for the govt. Not being union is all that liberals look at, true hypocrits
There are some people who are slaves to the corporate mentality. They fully participate with a smile upon their face and larceny in their hearts the idea that average folks can be conned into going against their long term interests via giving them a short term gain. Sadly, by the time many average folks figure out they have been bent over the table and their way had with them, cheap toilet paper and cheaper toothpaste made in China will be the least of their problems. Then I wonder how the right wing ringmasters will deceive them next time to vote against their own long term self interest?
WalMart is an excellent example of corporate hypocrisy taken to the nth degree. Sam Walton is in love with small town America so much that he virtually destroys its economic way of life by running small town main street right out of business replacing it with ugly boxes filled with crap from China. What a way to honor small town America.
Absolutely, that corporate mentality that rewards performance and creates merit pay, something liberals do not understand. That can work for the private sector do and prosper, those that cannot work for the public sector and wallow in mediocrity
There are some people who are slaves to the corporate mentality.
You are missing a very important point and that is the benefits that the employee gets but doesn't pay for. Pension funds and healthcare funds are provided by the taxpayer for the employee and paid to the unions that manage both. That is a lot of money and a lot of control of taxpayer money. Also, in Wisconsin, the union dues are payroll deductions, not paid for by the employee. Payment of those dues comes from the taxpayer to the department to the unions.
In your example, yes all funding for union employees comes from the taxpayer just like all funding for private sector employees comes from the customer. Without taxpayers or customers where wouldn't be any employees thus no spending at McDonalds.
Important Differences Between Government and Private-Sector Unions [Mackinac Center]
I wonder if people like you who constantly bitch about 'the corporate mentality' and talk about how evil corporations are, actually work for themselves, or for a corporation?
But what if this "performance" causes benefits for the company, but puts the entire global economy on the brink of destruction and then when the public bails them out, they do nothing to change the root problems that caused the crisis, thus almost ensuring that another one will occur in the future?
When are you going to stop acting like a troll and actually add real content to the conversation, Whovian? This thread is not about anyone here at DP, you'll find those threads in the basement.
Dittohead not!;1059361981]I'm not sure how it works in Wisconsin. In California, the employee pays for the pension fund.
yes, just what I said before. According to your line of reasonikng, the public employee wouldn't have any money without his job, so any money that gets spent is tax money. Therefore, tax money is being spent to provide everything from beer to beerocks. And, as has been pointed out, that reasoning is spurious, and (almost) anyone can see that it is
Such are the drawbacks of freedom for with freedom comes responsibility. I did not support the bailout of the banks proposed and signed by Bush. Economists claim that is what saved the economy but I am not so sure. Free enterprise and capitalism is what made this country the greatest on the face of the earth because it rewards risk taking and incentive. Unfortunately there are always going to be greedy people in the world and those become the poster individuals for those that want to destroy the economic system we have. Overall however the good still outweighs the bad and anyone that violates their responsibility should be prosecuted and that includes those "evil" corporations. Our economy is too diverse and too dependent on the private sector to be destroyed by a few bad apples.
I wonder if people like you who constantly bitch about 'the corporate mentality' and talk about how evil corporations are, actually work for themselves, or for a corporation?
What about the CEOs and their responsibility to keep the financial world from collapsing, not to try to bring it to its knees just so they can get rich?
Edit: Also, seeing what you wrote, do you favor some regulation of the financial industry?
Why are you so angry? I was just giving you some friendly advice, you've been warned to add content in "Bias."if you dont ****ing like what I post, feel free to complain to a moderator or fell free to not ****ing read it.
Why are you so angry? I was just giving you some friendly advice, you've been warned to add content in "Bias."
you are correct, you don't have total insight...you know precious little about how unions work....
i'd be shocked if you attended one meeting in that whole time, and obviously didnt take the time to educate yourself...
tell me j, you have made your opinion well known, that you are anti-union, why take a job in a company that was unionized? seems to me that would have went against everything you stand for. certainly with your ' i don't need no stinkin' union' 'pull myself up by my bootstraps' way of thinking, being the resourceful guy that you are, you could have said 'no thanks' and went and found a non-union job...so...why did you stick around that long?
CEO's have a responsibility and normally the free market takes care of them. There was enough blame to go around in the financial crisis but many here want to simply blame CEO's. That is hardly the case as our govt. contributed significantly. There is regulation in the financial industry and that is where govt. failed.
The government shares a large portion of the blame. They removed the regulations which kept the industry in check. Without those restrictions and regulations, the banks acted unrestrained to maximize profit; which is what business does. However, the unfettered release of their leveraging abilities allowed the banks to operate in a regime which was not sustainable, and it broke; quite spectacularly. No, the CEO's are not to blame either. There must be proper regulation from the government as well.
The government shares a large portion of the blame. They removed the regulations which kept the industry in check. Without those restrictions and regulations, the banks acted unrestrained to maximize profit; which is what business does. However, the unfettered release of their leveraging abilities allowed the banks to operate in a regime which was not sustainable, and it broke; quite spectacularly. No, the CEO's are not to blame either. There must be proper regulation from the government as well.
The question is I think whether you want that regulation coming from a government in the form of control over your life, or through market forces where the people vote with their dollars.
j-mac
No, they didn't remove all the regulations as there was enough oversight to prevent what happened, political correctness led to the problems we had in 2008 when it was determined by our govt. that everyone has a right to own a house and thus turned their heads on personal responsibility. The Senate banking and other oversight committees existed but were probably too busy with cocktail parties to do their job.
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