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Is it alright if republicans hide whenever they percieve a defeat when it comes to voting?
They now have started recal petitions for 7 of those absent.
............those same stolen birth certificates and SS cards used to get photo IDs? Why can they be used to obtain a photo ID, but not to vote?
And there will be one for Walker in January - guaranteed. Processes are already underway.
Like when Indiana Republicans ran out in 2004 when Democrats wouldn't let them amend the state constitution to make gays 2nd Class Citizens?
It's funny. They did it on Feb. 24, 2004. Yet, 7 years later when Democrats do it to defend workers' rights (instead of trying to put discrimination into the Constitution), Republicans call it "un-democratic". Pfft.
Yeah, good luck with that. He is doing what he ran on. The people are behind him. The tax paying citizen that is.
j-mac
Because teachers, cops, and firefighters aren't tax-paying citizens.
This is the problem with right-wing rhetoric. It now equates hard-working professional people who are largely underpaid for their education-level with welfare queens.
And poll numbers show that 61% of Americans support the protesters over Walker.
Poll: Americans favor union bargaining rights - USATODAY.com
The only ones committing class warfare are Gov. Walker and his puppet masters who will steal government utilities from the public with Walker's permission.
Do you people honestly believe illegal aliens would risk being caught and deported just to cast a vote? Give me a break. You do know you have to register in order to vote. You need to give your name, address and how long you've lived in your city. Illegals stay away from polls.
How many illegals voted in the last election?
Elderly people vote for candidates that support medicare and Social Security.
Voter fraud is committed by the vote counters and poll workers, not the voters. That's a myth.
So far, this would seem to be a routine story, just another example of a politician who didn't pay enough attention to the folks back home, or how his district was changing. But there is more to the story. Dornan charged that Sanchez's margin came from non-citizens, and an investigation by the House of Representatives found that 547 non-citizens had voted in the election. Some believe that far more non-citizens voted, who were not detected. John Fund, in Stealing Elections, says that:
An INS investigation in 1996 into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's Forty-sixth Congressional District revealed that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." (p. 24)
Unfortunately, Fund does not provide an end note for that quotation, though he does for most others in the book. The 4,023 is a larger number than I have seen in other accounts, though I have seen claims that more than 2,000 non-citizens were registered to vote in the district. The authoritative Almanac of American Politics (1998 edition) says only that "it is possible that Dornan has a case", which is as far as I would go, too.
But the Almanac has more to say about how many of those non-citizens got on the rolls, and that part of the story is also instructive.
Dornan brought his case to the House Contested Elections Task Force, which in February 1997 issued many subpoenas and promised a hearing in Orange County. Dornan argued that there were 1,789 illegal voters, and by Spring 1997 came up with proof that 547 non-citizens voted in Orange County and that 303 ineligibles had been registered to vote in the 46th District by Hermandad Nacional Mexicana; this fell short of proving the result was wrong, but raised questions about the netherworld of voter registration in Orange County. California's registration laws make it easy to get anyone on the voter rolls (the accused assassin of Mexican presidential candidate Luis Donaldo Colosio was a registered Democrat in San Pedro), and the Clinton Administration INS made great efforts to process new citizens and dispensed with the usual check for criminal records if the FBI did not respond within sixty days.
Hermandad Nacional Mexicana was running an interesting operation in Orange County.
Moreover, Dornan's attorney, Michael Schroeder, claims the taxpayer-funded English and citizenship classes were being illegally used for political purposes. In addition to being taught verb conjugations and the fundamentals of the U.S. Constitution, students in Hermandad's classes were receiving political indoctrination and being registered to vote even if they didn't meet the legal requirements.
And it was not just Dornan who found an irregularity or two in the group's registrations. So did the Los Angeles Times and an independent organization, the Fair Elections Group. Taxpayers will be pleased to learn that Hermandad Nacional Mexicana was not only a non-profit organization, in spite of its activities, but was subsidized by grants from a variety of governments. And those who have read this site for some time will not be surprised that nearly all of those registered by the organization requested absentee ballots. As we have learned again and again, absentee ballots are the choice of most who commit vote fraud....
Like when Indiana Republicans ran out in 2004 when Democrats wouldn't let them amend the state constitution to make gays 2nd Class Citizens?
It's funny. They did it on Feb. 24, 2004. Yet, 7 years later when Democrats do it to defend workers' rights (instead of trying to put discrimination into the Constitution), Republicans call it "un-democratic". Pfft.
Would you please show me what "rights" a worker has?
I want details, I want links.
To save you time, you may skip the anti-discrimination laws and right to work in a safe environment. I mean the "rights" that these unions are fighting for.
Thanks in advance.
And the problem with left wing propaganda is that it tries, and woefully fails to mask the socialist content contained within. I am a truck driver, some would say a true working professional, with over 20 years on the road, and over 2 million safe miles, where's my package like that? You know? It's not happening because it would bankrupt my company and then I'd be out of a job...Wow, that takes real foresight there I tell ya.
The problem with your push poll from USA Today is that it framed the question in a way to illicit a specific response. Typical.
On Walker, suppose you tell me where the hell he is supposed to get the money to continue to allow these leaches to retire at 55 with 90% pay for the rest of their lives, and still attract business to his state, and not go bankrupt. What a joke.
j-mac
And there will be one for Walker in January - guaranteed. Processes are already underway.
Again: The unions conceded to his cuts; they just want to maintain the right to collective bargaining. Allowing them to bargain doesn't have a direct effect on the budget. It's only about destroying their right to organize. That's all.
Yes. Some things have to be changed about pension plans that are over-promised. But in a time of record profits, the fact that people are more angry at their fellow workers than they are at the people making billions doing nothing is sad.
Uh...the right to organize around a common goal:
Employer/Union Rights and Obligations | NLRB
If there's no reason for them to organize (i.e. collective bargaining), then there's no need for a union. Thus, Walker is denying them their right to organize.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for public sector workers to accept these cuts; the fact that they openly admit that they will is a sign of how slowly they are developing throughout this struggle, due in most part to the conservatism of the union bureaucracy who wants to use the cuts as a bargaining chip.
Second, public sector pensions aren't over-funded. I have no problem with phasing out pensions in favor of 401k's, for a variety of reasons, but this is simply a lie.
So do you think the American worker is less productive than 10 years ago?
The answer: No.
Have wages increased for most workers? Also, no.
Again: The unions conceded to his cuts; they just want to maintain the right to collective bargaining. Allowing them to bargain doesn't have a direct effect on the budget. It's only about destroying their right to organize. That's all.
Is it alright if republicans hide whenever they percieve a defeat when it comes to voting?
Like when Indiana Republicans ran out in 2004 when Democrats wouldn't let them amend the state constitution to make gays 2nd Class Citizens?
It's funny. They did it on Feb. 24, 2004. Yet, 7 years later when Democrats do it to defend workers' rights (instead of trying to put discrimination into the Constitution), Republicans call it "un-democratic". Pfft.
You are big government. More laws means bigger government control. Hello?
Government adding restrictions in order to vote is big government. You are the closet liberal. Why deny it anymore? I am fiscally conservative, small government, socially liberal.
Do you have a link for that???
•Legislation: The Legislature adjourned March 4, effectively killing a proposed state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. The measure passed the state Senate but stalled in the House when Democrats refused to bring it to a vote. Republicans unsuccessfully attempted to force a vote by stalling all legislative activity for one week by refusing to enter the House chambers. (HJR 3, SJR 7).
“If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself — I’ll walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States of America.”
So do you think the American worker is less productive than 10 years ago?
Again: The unions conceded to his cuts; they just want to maintain the right to collective bargaining. Allowing them to bargain doesn't have a direct effect on the budget. It's only about destroying their right to organize. That's all.
Yes. Some things have to be changed about pension plans that are over-promised. But in a time of record profits, the fact that people are more angry at their fellow workers than they are at the people making billions doing nothing is sad.
Eventually, we'll end up turning teachers, cops and fire fighters into slave-wagers. Seems like we're starting to consider them the same as fast-food workers. Why not just pay them minimum wage? Oh...wait. People want to eliminate the minimum wage, too.
Since people think of teachers as baby-sitters, why don't we pay teachers like baby-sitters? $5 an hour/child to watch 30 children for 6.5 hours a day. Oh, wait. That would mean paying them $170,000 a year instead of $50,000 a year.
obama on the campaign trail:
FLASHBACK: Obama campaigned to walk picket line as president if collective bargaining rights threatened - Yahoo! News
the coward can't find his clogs?
No, that's not it. When he became President, he found out that Federal workers have never had the right to collective bargaining. Oh, and lest we forget, he's proposed a two-year pay freeze for all of them. Oh, and lest we forget, he doesn't need the union's okay. I'd say his clogs just don't fit anymore.
They were caught right? No, I don't think it is ahuge problem. It isn't a case of never versus always. Either one or the other.
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