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Kandahar said:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_25_06_WB.html
Read what this one-time Iraq war supporter and staunch neoconservative had to say about Iraq today.
Thoughts?
Buckley did support the war, but said back then that the outcome would not be the rosy picture that the administration had painted. Buckley also supported Bush Sr's decision to pull back from going all the way to Baghdad during the Gulf War.Kandahar said:To correct a couple of your points, Buckley originally supported the war in Iraq. And I wouldn't call him a "paleoconservative." He's not a Pat Buchanan type, by any means.
But yeah, I think Buckley's assessment really shows that the current strategy in Iraq is losing supporters rapidly.
Missouri Mule said:I think Buckley's views are important but his day is past and he doesn't have the same mental sharpness he once had. For a more unbiased view I would look to what David Brooks of the NYT has to say. And Thomas Friedman. One on the left and one on the right. It may come down to a partitioning of Iraq and that may not necessarily be a bad thing.
Kandahar said:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_25_06_WB.html
Read what this one-time Iraq war supporter and staunch neoconservative had to say about Iraq today.
Thoughts?
Missouri Mule said:I think Buckley's views are important but his day is past and he doesn't have the same mental sharpness he once had. For a more unbiased view I would look to what David Brooks of the NYT has to say. And Thomas Friedman. One on the left and one on the right. It may come down to a partitioning of Iraq and that may not necessarily be a bad thing.
hipsterdufus said:Thomas Friedman is hardly a voice of the left. Personally I loathe Friedman and his neoliberal globalization gobbledygook. I think he's worse than an idiot. He's an intelligent ignoramus, and a lazy one to boot. From the NYT, I'll take Krugman or Rich anyday. Friedman is out to keep himself important by rocking no boats.
Deegan said:LOL, that's why I like and respect you professor, you make absolutely no bones about you political leanings, nor do you apologize for those views. That said, I don't know how you can possibly suggest he "rocks no boats" at the NYT, they must hate that man, he truly must have to examine his food order with more then a second glance at that work place!:rofl
We should have been able to learn from Russias failed occupation of Afghanistan. We are now on the same road to bankruptcy that they were.danarhea said:The Iraqi experiment conceived by PNAC, which according to them, would make America stronger, has actually weakend our nation. Neocons are finally seeing this fact, and are leaving the movement. Defeat is not always a bad thing. If it is the defeat of a flawed policy, it can be good, provided we learn from that defeat. Let us learn from this experience, and once the Neocons are gone from government, let us make a vow as a nation never to let our leaders hijack us into another unneeded war, and let us rebuild, not only the trust and credibility we have lost with the rest of the world, but also the Consitutional principles upon which America was founded. It will take much work. It is time to roll up our sleeves.
Agreed. Isn't it embarassing and sickening when the idiocy of our administration makes the predicitions/goals/dreams of Osama Bin Laden come true?scottyz said:We should have been able to learn from Russias failed occupation of Afghanistan. We are now on the same road to bankruptcy that they were.
I think Buckley's views are important but his day is past and he doesn't have the same mental sharpness he once had. For a more unbiased view I would look to what David Brooks of the NYT has to say. And Thomas Friedman. One on the left and one on the right. It may come down to a partitioning of Iraq and that may not necessarily be a bad thing.
Last I heard, the "Big Oil" companies wouldn't put their money into Iraq yet. Too unstable. The money that's in Iraq is American tax dollars.Captain America said:I say we ought to stay there just long enough for our oil companies to pull their billions of dollars worth of oil equipment out of there, then back our troops out and just them have at it.
It's faster and easier to dismiss someone w/ ad homs than it is to address the content of an argument.FinnMacCool said:Why is it when someone conservatives respect takes a different side then them, conservatives call them senile or mentally unstable? Can anyone explain that?
That would be because so much of what is "the right" these days is yesterday's leftist.Navy Pride said:I used to like Buckley a lot but he is no longer the spokesman for the right.
Simon W. Moon said:That would be because so much of what is "the right" these days is yesterday's leftist.
Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan brainwashed him. His opinion is no longer valid.FinnMacCool said:Why is it when someone conservatives respect takes a different side then them, conservatives call them senile or mentally unstable? Can anyone explain that?
Oh you know, things like promoting big-government at home and thinking that massive federal govt intervention is a solution to societal ills. You know classic liberal thinking like that.Navy Pride said:Your going to have to expound on that one to me.....
Simon W. Moon said:Oh you know, things like promoting big-government at home and thinking that massive federal govt intervention is a solution to societal ills. You know classic liberal thinking like that.
For what it's worth, George Will says, "We're in trouble in Iraq ... We are suffering the consequences of inadequate preparation ..."
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