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Specifically - what is No Kings? Specific policies only.

iamwhatiseem said:
So again, no policies. Just generalized opinion based accusations.
"Militarization of society" --- wow, now that is a good one! HAHAHA
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So youre argument is that Trump is taking absolute power without policies.

Does that somehow make it ok?
 
roberthughey said:
Over 300 filed against Trump.

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Tracking the lawsuits against Donald Trump's executive actions

Hundreds of lawsuits have been filed during President Donald Trump’s second administration. The suits challenge his executive orders as well as actions taken by his administration, including Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency or DOGE. The courts have agreed to block the president in...
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Indeed, and this was the strategy laid out in Project 2025 which the administration led off with from day one. This goes to the point of what people have been protesting, which is an executive branch that seeks to rule with little consideration for the law and the role of other branches.
 
NuffSaid said:
Kings don't have policies. Kings have edicts and decrees (like executive orders).
Kings set the rules.
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He doesn't appear to be arguing Trump isn't a tyrant. He's arguing that he is doing it in the absence of policies. He's wrong, of course, but even if he were right, Trump is still a tyrant.
 
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j brown's body said:
He doesn't appear to be arguing Trump isn't a tyrant. He's arguing that he is doing it in the absence of policies. He's wrong, of course, but even f he were right, Trump is still a tyrant.
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Not only policies but Trump hasn't even beheaded one person. So not a king, I guess.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
Because most of them are what other Presidents also have done, they just don't want him to do it.
Others are not policies, I asked for specific policies that is tantamount to a King.
Right now the government is shut down because one of his biggest adversaries - if he was a King, he would behead Schumer and open the government back up.
He has had now over 200 judges trying to stop him from doing any number of things, most have been overturned and dismissed. If he was King, he would behead them and replace them with a lackey.
In fact - if he was King, he would have disbanded the 2 houses and setup his own "senators".
CNN, MSNOW, NY Times etc. etc. are all still in business. If he was King, they wouldn't be.
And really - most of you would be in jail right now if he was King.
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As has been repeated ad nauseum- "king" is a stand in for Autocrat.

These people are not shy about stating their plans:
Russell Vought is the commander-in - chief of domestic policy. His plans are being implemented. They are well documented.

"In Vought’s vision for the U.S. government, an all-powerful executive branch would be able to fire workers, cancel programs, shutter agencies, and undo regulations that govern air and water quality, financial markets, workplace protections and civil rights. The Department of Justice, meanwhile, would shed its historical independence and operate at the direction of the White House."

Furthermore, Trump is on record for saying, "I run the country and the world"
 
iamwhatiseem said:
No, you are attempting to marginalize the point by creating your own narrative, and apply it to me.
A King. Pretty simple. Everyone knows what one is.
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But your version of a king, who rules by official "policies" and beheadings, appears to be way off.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
No, you are attempting to marginalize the point by creating your own narrative, and apply it to me.
A King. Pretty simple. Everyone knows what one is.
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Indeed. Ex: asking the military to shoot protesters in the legs
 
Another example of Donald Trump acting like a king is him weaponizing the DOJ to go after his political enemies such as Leticia James and James Comey.
 
Cassandra said:
As has been repeated ad nauseum- "king" is a stand in for Autocrat.

These people are not shy about stating their plans:
Russell Vought is the commander-in - chief of domestic policy. His plans are being implemented. They are well documented.

"In Vought’s vision for the U.S. government, an all-powerful executive branch would be able to fire workers, cancel programs, shutter agencies, and undo regulations that govern air and water quality, financial markets, workplace protections and civil rights. The Department of Justice, meanwhile, would shed its historical independence and operate at the direction of the White House."

Furthermore, Trump is on record for saying, "I run the country and the world"
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iamwhatiseem said:
Yes Biden did.
See how that works?
So again, no policies.
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Maybe if we gave examples they'd see the hypocrisy in the No Kings mantras.

Most of Biden's Covid mandates blocked by Supreme Court which affected millions, and were seen as coercive federal overreach.

Supreme Court ruled Biden's Student Loan forgiveness as unconstitutional. Despite that, Biden went ahead later and forgave $136B more through other channels.

Biden paused new leases on federal lands/waters and canceled Keystone XL, ignoring a court order to resume. He then proceeded to drain Strategic Petroleum Reserve to historic lows causing the price of gas to unaffordable levels.

Biden aimed to protect 30% of U.S. lands/waters by 2030 (UN/WEF-inspired), designating 1.5M acres without Senate confirmation for roles like John Podesta's "climate czar." Because he bypassed congress this was seen as a massive federal land grab.

Biden's DOJ and FBI targeted parents at school boards, hence, he was criticized as weaponizing federal agencies against dissent.

The Biden administration used censorship and pressured Big Tech.
Administration coordinated with platforms to suppress COVID origins, vaccine skepticism, Hunter Biden stories, and election information even when accurate.
Federal judge called it the "most massive attack on free speech" and it also included pressuring Amazon to censor books.


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iamwhatiseem said:
HAHAHA!!! - someone who wrote a book claims someone said he said that, they also claimed he wanted to make a moat with Alligators.
Of course you would buy that hook line and sinker.
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Hmm. Why would Mr Alligator alcatraz want an alligator moat
 
iamwhatiseem said:
So again, no policies. Just generalized opinion based accusations.
"Militarization of society" --- wow, now that is a good one! HAHAHA
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What would you call the roll out of the National Guard to fight crime when that isn't their role? What would you call justifying the execution of foreign nationals in international waters with no transparency?
 
ElChupacabra said:
What would you call the roll out of the National Guard to fight crime when that isn't their role? What would you call justifying the execution of foreign nationals in international waters with no transparency?
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Sexy!
 
"The phrase "Obama acting like a king" originated as a pointed Republican critique during Barack Obama's presidency (2009–2017), primarily aimed at his use of executive orders and actions perceived as bypassing Congress. It became a recurring talking point among conservatives, especially on issues like immigration reform, environmental regulations, and gun control. For instance, in November 2014, House Speaker John Boehner publicly stated, "The president has said before that 'he's not king' and he's 'not an emperor,' but he sure is acting like one," in response to Obama's executive actions on immigration.

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Similar rhetoric came from Sen. Rand Paul in 2013, who accused Obama of acting "like a king" on gun violence measures.

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Obama himself pushed back against the label multiple times, notably in 2010 when he said, "I'm president, I'm not king," while discussing immigration policy constraints.

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This wasn't unique to Obama—executive orders have been a bipartisan tool since George Washington issued the first one in 1789—but the volume ramped up under him amid gridlock with a Republican-led Congress. By 2016, Obama had issued 277 executive orders, fewer than George W. Bush (291) or Bill Clinton (364), but critics focused on high-profile ones like the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

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A 2014 USA Today op-ed summed up the sentiment: "The idea that President Obama acts as if he is the king of the United States or a tyrant... has become a cliché over the past five years."

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Defenders, like CNN commentator Dean Obeidallah in 2012, argued that liberals weren't calling for monarchy but for Obama to work within a dysfunctional system where Congress wouldn't cooperate on key legislation.

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Fast-forward to 2025, and the phrase is seeing a resurgence on platforms like X (formerly Twitter), often as a whataboutism in defenses of President Trump's policies. Amid recent protests and rhetoric accusing Trump of authoritarian overreach (e.g., "No Kings" marches), users are dredging up old Obama critiques to highlight perceived hypocrisy. Posts from mid-October 2025 frequently share a 2017 NBC News headline—"Republicans Alarmed Over Obama's Executive Orders, Cheer Trump's"—to argue that Obama set the precedent for executive boldness, with captions like "Obama declared himself a king" or "Hypocrites forgot this."

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These often tie into broader 2024 election echoes, where Obama himself flipped the script at a Harris rally, calling Trump a "wannabe king."

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In short, it's a politically charged meme that's less about literal monarchy and more about debates over executive power. Both sides have wielded it selectively—Republicans against Obama, Democrats (and Obama) against Trump—reflecting how "kingly" behavior is in the eye of the beholder when your team isn't in charge. If this references a specific recent event or post, feel free to share more details for a deeper dive."

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trixare4kids said:
Maybe if we gave examples they'd see the hypocrisy in the No Kings mantras.

Most of Biden's Covid mandates blocked by Supreme Court which affected millions, and were seen as coercive federal overreach.

Supreme Court ruled Biden's Student Loan forgiveness as unconstitutional. Despite that, Biden went ahead later and forgave $136B more through other channels.

Biden paused new leases on federal lands/waters and canceled Keystone XL, ignoring a court order to resume. He then proceeded to drain Strategic Petroleum Reserve to historic lows causing the price of gas to unaffordable levels.

Biden aimed to protect 30% of U.S. lands/waters by 2030 (UN/WEF-inspired), designating 1.5M acres without Senate confirmation for roles like John Podesta's "climate czar." Because he bypassed congress this was seen as a massive federal land grab.

Biden's DOJ and FBI targeted parents at school boards, hence, he was criticized as weaponizing federal agencies against dissent.

The Biden administration used censorship and pressured Big Tech.
Administration coordinated with platforms to suppress COVID origins, vaccine skepticism, Hunter Biden stories, and election information even when accurate.
Federal judge called it the "most massive attack on free speech" and it also included pressuring Amazon to censor books.


Information for the above from AI


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But...but...but... TTTRRUUUUUMMMPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ElChupacabra said:
What would you call the roll out of the National Guard to fight crime when that isn't their role? What would you call justifying the execution of foreign nationals in international waters with no transparency?
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I wouldn't exaggerated the HELL out of it by calling it "militarization of the population" - that is about as overly dramatic as it gets
 
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