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Will Mike Pence certify the election for Biden and Harris?

Will Pence certify the election for Biden and Harris?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 52 89.7%
  • No. He's going to engage in Trump's rhetoric.

    Votes: 6 10.3%

  • Total voters
    58
You actually believe that Pence is in possession of factual data that supports the overturning of a Presidential election and is saving it for a grand unveiling Jan 6th? You actually believe that?
Yes, Pence has real evidence of Biden voting 76 million times himself. He has been. withholding it from being released in court in order to create the most spectacular made for TV event ever. Right before he flees the country to escape the Deeeeeeeep States wrath.
 
Nope.

They will be people who won't tolerate election fraud.
Lol, trump tells you it's fake news the right believes it. Trump creates fake news by saying the election is rigged against him and the right believes it. Election fraud is another issue your leadership has created for the base to be outraged about. The people you are referring to are the ones trying to steal an election and subvert our democracy.
 
Lol, trump tells you it's fake news the right believes it. Trump creates fake news by saying the election is rigged against him and the right believes it. Election fraud is another issue your leadership has created for the base to be outraged about. The people you are referring to are the ones trying to steal an election and subvert our democracy.
Creating fake outrage and fear is the tool the Right has used to control their lemmings all along. Trump is a master at it.
 
I'm pretty sure there is isn't. Don't misunderstand what my position is, I fully support your right to bitch and moan about things. I would even go as far as saying everyone has a civic responsibility to voice their opinions. at the same time, the rest of us are free to deem those complaints as not serious and dismiss them.

many people are upset with the process of how the winner was decided and until that is resolved they have every right to resist the efforts to make them accept the results as legitimate.
Propaganda is a science now.

And at the end of the day, all y'all got are "feelings". No evidence of fraud, just trying to have eligible voters votes thrown out. Because fraud.

Y'all are happy in your fantasy bubble. It makes you feel empowered, plays on your manufactured feelings of being abused.

But that's all it is.

Feelings, cynically implanted through your media.

Hell, you even turned on Fox because even they couldn't go along with trump's nonsense.
 
The six states referenced in the Texas suit clearly violated constitutional proscriptions in the conduct of their elections.
Nope, sorry, wrong. Many of those claims were already litigated, and failed.

Or, the plaintiffs waited far too long to demand a remedy via litigation. E.g. Pennsylvania allowed no-excuse mail-in voting with a bipartisan vote in October 2019. A handful of Republicans only filed suit after they lost, and millions of Pennsylvanians had voted in good faith. It is not constitutional to disenfranchise millions because you don't like the way they voted.


The evidence supporting illegality and fraud charges is not the best
lol... What evidence?


the sheer volume of it should be cause for further investigation
No, dude. That's not how this works. Bad claims don't get better because you make more of them.


while that isn't the task of the SC, they certainly could have directed the legislatures in those six states to address it.
Not based on the Texas case.

Yet again: Texas does not have standing. The Constitution explicitly writes that individual states are responsible for selecting their own slates of electors. Pennsylvania could throw darts at a board if it wanted to. If Texas does not like how Pennsylvania chooses its electors, then that's Tough S*** for Texas.

Any challenges to the ways states run their elections have to start in the state courts, then work their way up to federal courts and the SCOTUS. And hey, guess what? That already happened, and the Trump campaign lost those cases too.


The dismissals on procedural grounds by the various courts - mist notably the PA SC - were simply avoidance.
Good grief. No, not even close.

To start with, many of the cases didn't even try to offer so-called "evidence" of fraud, because the lawyers knew it was garbage. Instead, they tried to push cases on procedural grounds, and they failed.

To continue, in many of the cases, the judges did look at the so-called "evidence," and tore it to shreds. It's all baseless -- e.g. attorneys failing to provide the basis of their allegations; egregiously irrational "statistics;" affidavits by utterly clueless election observers who skipped training sessions; wild conspiracy theories about dead dictators, and so on.


From a layman's perspective, whrn I see six columns of heavy smoke rising in my vicinity, I generally think there may be some fires causing them, and I check that out.
Try again.

If you live in a fire zone, and you see a bunch of smoke, the LAST thing you should do is head towards the possible fire. That can get you killed.

What you should do is listen to the authorities and experts, who will tell you if there is an actual forest fire headed towards you, and whether you need to evacuate.

If you do defy all reason and head towards the fire, and you find it's some guy burning leaves in his backyard, you are no longer justified in proclaiming that there really is a massive forest fire, and tell everyone else to evacuate.
 
How Mike Pence counts the casting of the votes on the electoral college votes of a contested state, may be one vote, for one state.
Dude. You've been told, several times, that you are wrong. Get a clue.


Does Roberts Rules govern?
lol... No.


Is there a procedure for appealing the chair?
No.


US Constitution Article 2, Section 1, Mentions one vote for one State by the House of Representatives.
Stop cherry-picking. Read the entire section.


Could Biden lose on January 6, 2021?
Nope.
 
Yet....none of you had a problem at all with the system in 2016 when Trump won on the technicality of the Electoral College. For that matter, the last GOP President, Bush, also had to rely on the very same system to win in 2000. Not only has the GOP lost the ability to win the popular, telling you to forsake the word "democracy" for "republic," it can't even rely on the Electoral College now.

So, the problem is clearly not about the system. It's about losing and wanting to reform the system so that a tired and stale right-wing Party can win. And "many people are upset" because Trump simply told them to be, while his lawyers produced (and fabricated) insignificant needles to "prove" a corrupt haystack. Today, based on no evidence that even Trump's appointed judges can see, "many people" are resorting to the desperation that Trump is still somehow right, making them not wrong. Same story for four years.

It's simple: Had Trump spent the last four years providing a reason for a re-election win, none of you would have a problem today.
You are wrong. people from partys have been complaining about the process being unfair for decades, albeit for different reasons. all the same the majority of the public don't have faith in the integrity of the process. I personally have been calling for a full audit of tje the process to determine what reforms would make the most sense for years, dating back before Trump. Many others have as well.

The reason things came to a head this time isn't because of who was declared the winner but because of the unprecedented changes made. They were rushed and sloppily implemented. It created doubt at a level higher than before.
 
You are wrong. people from partys have been complaining about the process being unfair for decades, albeit for different reasons. all the same the majority of the public don't have faith in the integrity of the process. I personally have been calling for a full audit of tje the process to determine what reforms would make the most sense for years, dating back before Trump. Many others have as well.

The reason things came to a head this time isn't because of who was declared the winner but because of the unprecedented changes made. They were rushed and sloppily implemented. It created doubt at a level higher than before.


The PRESIDENT created the doubt among a certain segment of this population and CONTINUES to do so even this morning. I am all in favor a repealing the constitution and creating national standards for elections. I doubt you are going to agree with my standards...
 
Plus, they are criticizing process only in states Biden won, while not challenging the same process in states Trump won.

Its really pathetic.

It's more of the same bold and shameless behavior that they have exhibited for years. They don't care how it makes them look. They don't care how obvious they are. They appear not even interested is trying to fool others. They are so obvious about what they do that they fool nobody. In this way, they are exactly what the GOP has made of them; because the GOP is also care-free, bold, and without shame over what they do. They all encapsulate their behavior into a delusion or fantasy where all the rest of the world is supposed to just be blind or too stupid to see their games.

The very fact that none of them can produce an argument why they support Trump say's it all. They resort to conspiracies, irrational hatred, and falsehood. They know this, yet still play their game. It's as if the embarrassment of what they have reduced themselves to is so great that self-prescribed delusion is comforting to them.

It comes down to "you just don't get it," to which our reply is "no shit, neither do you."
 
The PRESIDENT created the doubt among a certain segment of this population and CONTINUES to do so even this morning. I am all in favor a repealing the constitution and creating national standards for elections. I doubt you are going to agree with my standards...
You might be surprised at what I would agree to. Its a conversation that is overdue. I am all for having it.
 
I don't think you understand how such a vote works in the House.

Each representative in the House do not have one vote. Each state's delegation has one vote. Since the Republicans have more states in the House, and assuming those states vote for Trump, that means the House will vote for Trump to be President.
That is only true if the House is voting to elect the president when the election is referred to the House when the election ends in a tie or an unclear result. That is not the case here. Biden has been awarded more than sufficient votes by the electoral college. The House is simply counting the votes. The Republican plan is to contest which votes to count. That means there will be a debate about it. The vote will be like all other debates. All the members will vote, as ususal.
 
By all means continue to destroy the Republican party. Blood sports are always popular.
Those Republican Elites are bringing it upon themselves.
 
You are wrong. people from partys have been complaining about the process being unfair for decades, albeit for different reasons. all the same the majority of the public don't have faith in the integrity of the process. I personally have been calling for a full audit of tje the process to determine what reforms would make the most sense for years, dating back before Trump. Many others have as well.

The reason things came to a head this time isn't because of who was declared the winner but because of the unprecedented changes made. They were rushed and sloppily implemented. It created doubt at a level higher than before.

Oh, Democrats have rightfully complained about the Electoral College that robs from the majority. The counter argument is that the cities would rob rural America. But this is a weak argument. Our history is one where the majority has never been wrong. It was the losing minority who started a civil war in 1861 to preserve their slavery. It was the losing minority who quietly rebelled against FDR's New Deal during the Great Depression.

Republicans have lately liked defaulting to the notion that we are just a "Republic," because without the Electoral College they can't produce a winning candidate anymore. And now, without that, Republicans only now have a problem with American democracy as a whole. None of them had a problem at all in 2016. YOU may have, but this does not account for the conservative masses who celebrated their piece of shit in 2016, because American democracy and our unaltered system gave them victory. Today, with losing on the horizon, Trump & Co. sewed the seeds of distrust and all of a sudden, like magic, conservatives are outraged with the very same system that denied their piece of shit.

Trump and his right-wing propaganda created doubt, well before anything was "changed" to allow American citizens to vote during an ongoing pandemic. Nothing else. And what was "changed" was all about accommodating the long established and existing mail-in-ballot, which produced a demand more time for counts. That's it. Had Trump given American citizens a reason to re-elect him, they would have used this very system to do it. Trump lost because he is a piece of shit, not because the system was stacked against him.
 
Oh, Democrats have rightfully complained about the Electoral College that robs from the majority. The counter argument is that the cities would rob rural America. But this is a weak argument. Our history is one where the majority has never been wrong. It was the losing minority who started a civil war in 1861 to preserve their slavery. It was the losing minority who quietly rebelled against FDR's New Deal during the Great Depression.

Republicans have lately liked defaulting to the notion that we are just a "Republic," because without the Electoral College they can't produce a winning candidate anymore. And now, without that, Republicans only now have a problem with American democracy as a whole. None of them had a problem at all in 2016. YOU may have, but this does not account for the conservative masses who celebrated their piece of shit in 2016, because American democracy and our unaltered system gave them victory. Today, with losing on the horizon, Trump & Co. sewed the seeds of distrust and all of a sudden, like magic, conservatives are outraged with the very same system that denied their piece of shit.

Trump and his right-wing propaganda created doubt, well before anything was "changed" to allow American citizens to vote during an ongoing pandemic. Nothing else. And what was "changed" was all about accommodating the long established and existing mail-in-ballot, which produced a demand more time for counts. That's it. Had Trump given American citizens a reason to re-elect him, they would have used this very system to do it. Trump lost because he is a piece of shit, not because the system was stacked against him.
nobody can say who one a lawful election when we did not have one. The laws were not followed.

I do understand peoples frustrations with the electoral college. My contention is more with how the states dole out their votes than the college itself. States should not be winner takes all but done be each congressional district.
 
The reason things came to a head this time isn't because of who was declared the winner but because of the unprecedented changes made. They were rushed and sloppily implemented. It created doubt at a level higher than before.

Bullshit. Trump supporters are just outraged that they lost because they swallowed all the right wing garbage claiming that Trump would win in a landslide. Thats why you run away everytime someone presses you for proof of voter fraud.
 
nobody can say who one a lawful election when we did not have one. The laws were not followed.

I do understand peoples frustrations with the electoral college. My contention is more with how the states dole out their votes than the college itself. States should not be winner takes all but done be each congressional district.


Until you can get a court to agree that laws weren't followed, all you are doing is griping about what YOU think is a law being violated, not anything actually unlawful.
 
I think they may leave the GOP and go with Trump
I don't know what they will call themselves but I can see the Trump followers leaving the GOP and going with him.
and in doing this they will not win and will harm the GOP for YEARS to come
Have a nice night
They can be the Trumpeteers. None for all and all for one!
 
nobody can say who one a lawful election when we did not have one. The laws were not followed.

Yet, not a single judge will agree with you. Funny that.

I do understand peoples frustrations with the electoral college. My contention is more with how the states dole out their votes than the college itself. States should not be winner takes all but done be each congressional district.

Thus rendering racial gerrymandering even more dangerous. And according to the Supreme Court, one of the tactics of the GOP is to employ racial gerrymandering, which denies American citizens their rights.

It's simple, one citizen, one vote, stop employing repressive tactics to deny American citizens. Why is this such a hard concept for people?

But that really hurts the GOP's chances, doesn't it? See what I mean about this false "outrage" about the system? Democrats are fine with actual democracy, because the DNC tends to represent Americans properly. The GOP does not. Turn to any right-wing media source and you will be bombarded with denigrating rhetoric about the "communist" left as a reason to remain loyal to what is really only a right-wing Party. And with Graham announcing that, unless the system changes, Republicans will never see victory again, the GOP clearly has no intention of being anything other than what has denied them the popular since Reagan (Bush in 2004 being the exception).
 
Bullshit. Trump supporters are just outraged that they lost because they swallowed all the right wing garbage claiming that Trump would win in a landslide. Thats why you run away everytime someone presses you for proof of voter fraud.
your dismissals. won't make the problem go away.
 
Until you can get a court to agree that laws weren't followed, all you are doing is griping about what YOU think is a law being violated, not anything actually unlawful.
The courts have failed us but there is more that can be done that just griping about it.
 
Yet, not a single judge will agree with you. Funny that.



Thus rendering racial gerrymandering even more dangerous. And according to the Supreme Court, one of the tactics of the GOP is to employ racial gerrymandering, which denies American citizens their rights.

It's simple, one citizen, one vote, stop employing repressive tactics to deny American citizens. Why is this such a hard concept for people?

But that really hurts the GOP's chances, doesn't it? See what I mean about this false "outrage" about the system? Democrats are fine with actual democracy, because the DNC tends to represent Americans properly. The GOP does not. Turn to any right-wing media source and you will be bombarded with denigrating rhetoric about the "communist" left as a reason to remain loyal to what is really only a right-wing Party. And with Graham announcing that, unless the system changes, Republicans will never see victory again, the GOP clearly has no intention of being anything other than what has denied them the popular since Reagan (Bush in 2004 being the exception).
the electorial college and gerrymandering are two unrelated things.
 
You could easily back up your assertions if you had any proof, you know.
what kind of proof are you looking for that shows there isn't a verifiable chain of custody in place to track votes or that state election laws were not followed?
 
The courts have failed us but there is more that can be done that just griping about it.

You lost.

Youre just blaming everyone cause you’re unhappy and it’s what your Cult Leader hath instructed you to do.

Simple as that.

File a lawsuit if you think you’ve Got this wrapped up.
 
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