Will Epstein be Trump's downfall?

[Buster Keaton]

It is already a dead smear campaign

 

[Lord of Planar]

It is already a dead smear campaign

It's always been a big nothingburger.

 

[trixare4kids]

What list? Only in the movies and TV crime shows are there lists or a little black book. You think in real life Epstein would have a list? dream on.

If there is an Epstein list, ask them why Biden/Kamala didn't release it.

 

[Lord of Planar]

If there is an Epstein list, ask them why Biden/Kamala didn't release it.

They are too programed to even consider such logic. They do what ever the regime media tells them to do and believe.

 

[trixare4kids]

They are too programed to even consider such logic. They do what ever the regime media tells them to do and believe.

They KNOW damn well that there is no Epstein list but we have to remember why they're lying.
They also KNOW damn well that if there was an Epstein list if would have been released by the Biden administration especially since they already saw their unfavorable internal election polling numbers.

 

[Logician Man]

They KNOW damn well that there is no Epstein list but we have to remember why they're lying.
They also KNOW damn well that if there was an Epstein list if would have been released by the Biden administration especially since they already saw their unfavorable internal election polling numbers.

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[Bush Lawyer]

With the Epstein debacle dominating the news for over a month, now, and with no end in sight, the question becomes quite relevant.

To answer the Question posed in the Title.

That depends on the integrity and values of the citizens of the USA. They can walk by all his criminal and deviant behaviour or they will stop, see it for what it is, and deal with it.

Congress has not been willing to do it, the judicial system has been neutered/corrupted by political appointees so, it is down to the people of the USA.

 

[trixare4kids]

So the O/P question is, will Epstein be Trump's downfall?

No, Epstein will be the anti-Trump's downfall just like the phony Russian collusion thing is their downfall.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

It's always been a big nothingburger.

Then why did Humpty et al make such a huge song and dance about it previously?

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's always been a big nothingburger.

LOL: A big nothingburger, you have no way to say this up^^^. Trump has raped and three times in marriage.

 

[uptower]

And I think this should come as no surprise...

Survey found 47% of Republicans would still vote for Trump even if implicated in Epstein's crimes

The survey explored the attitudes of a representative sample of around a thousand American voters on several topics.

www.snopes.com

So 47% are willing to admit it. That's huge. Frankly I expect the real number will be more than that. The GOP are the pedo-party after all. It's "biblical".

 

[Lord of Planar]

LOL: A big nothingburger, you have no way to say this up^^^. Trump has raped and three times in marriage.

You have no actual facts, and rich people are very often targeted just for settlements. What may or may not be true is just an allegation. Alleged rape has nothing to do with alleged illegal activities with underage women.

You guys just cannot stop your hate. No wonder the left keeps losing these days.

 

[Lord of Planar]

And I think this should come as no surprise...

Survey found 47% of Republicans would still vote for Trump even if implicated in Epstein's crimes

The survey explored the attitudes of a representative sample of around a thousand American voters on several topics.

www.snopes.com

So 47% are willing to admit it. That's huge. Frankly I expect the real number will be more than that. The GOP are the pedo-party after all. It's "biblical".

Another fail from the left.

Words have meaning.

Look up the word "implicated."

We seriously need to return control of the schools to the local and state control as the department of Education is sadly dumbing down the population.

 

[uptower]

Another fail from the left.

Words have meaning.

Look up the word "implicated."

We seriously need to return control of the schools to the local and state control as the department of Education is sadly dumbing down the population.

I don't think they thought it through that deeply. Aware, implicated, involved, smoking gun, they dont care. Financial crimes or pedophilia, all the same to them: he's their guy and they won't let him go no matter what. MAGA is a cult.

 

[Jason Warfield]

I wanted an other option, so i chose Eventually. I think that the Epstein case itself will not be his downfall, but rather all the things he is trying to do to deflect from the case will be his downfall.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I don't think they thought it through that deeply. Aware, implicated, involved, smoking gun, they dont care. Financial crimes or pedophilia, all the same to them: he's their guy and they won't let him go no matter what. MAGA is a cult.

Yep. They will keep up this irrational behavior and lose more seats in the 2026 elections.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I wanted an other option, so i chose Eventually. I think that the Epstein case itself will not be his downfall, but rather all the things he is trying to do to deflect from the case will be his downfall.

LOL.

Why didn't president Biden release the files? Look there first.

The left is so entrenched in keeping him from functioning as president. President Trump should simply dismiss everything the left claims. they boy has cried wolf too many times. There is simply no credibility left for the left. None whatsoever. When some real concern does come along, nobody will believe it.

 

[Jason Warfield]

LOL.

Why didn't president Biden release the files? Look there first.

The left is so entrenched in keeping him from functioning as president. President Trump should simply dismiss everything the left claims. they boy has cried wolf too many times. There is simply no credibility left for the left. None whatsoever. When some real concern does come along, nobody will believe it.

Don't know, there is the excuse that to so would have jeopardized the investigation into Epstein, but the DOJ under Biden did continue to prosecute Maxwell and send her to jail. In addition, Democrats had been trying to get the records since 2018, after Trump tired to connect Bill Clinton to Epstein in 2016 when Hillary ran against him.

So, you instead of looking at Biden first, you should be looking at Trump first. He could have released the files then, why not? It was before Biden was president, so you have to ask that question as well. If there was a huge amount of problems for Clinton due to those files, he could've taken control of the DOJ/FBI then as he is doing now and have released them (this is why we think the whole deep state argument is so much nonsense).

Trump made a promise to release the files...and to no one's surprise, he hasn't since it's been revealed that his name is also in there.

Look you want to complain about Biden not releasing the files: that's fair under the context of his time as president. But if we are going to do that....then you have address Trump, who also didn't release the files when he was president before and after Biden under the context of who did what (or didn't do) when as president. So under that context...which you are using to base your argument on...you have to look at Trump first, then look at Biden...and then go back to Trump for the current status.

As per, YOUR logic.

 

[uptower]

LOL.

Why didn't president Biden release the files? Look there first.

Weren't they sealed by a court order that has since expired?

And for the millionth tome Trump suggested he would, his AG suggested she would, his fans wanted it, so this is his Frankenstein's monster.

There was little momentum to release the files till Trump started running his mouth about it. Dems weren't clamoring for it the way Qanon did so they didn't have a constituency to satisfy. Trump does, but he's acting cagey and now everyone's curious.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Don't know, there is the excuse that to so would have jeopardized the investigation into Epstein, but the DOJ under Biden did continue to prosecute Maxwell and send her to jail. In addition, Democrats had been trying to get the records since 2018, after Trump tired to connect Bill Clinton to Epstein in 2016 when Hillary ran against him.

So, you instead of looking at Biden first, you should be looking at Trump first. He could have released the files then, why not? It was before Biden was president, so you have to ask that question as well. If there was a huge amount of problems for Clinton due to those files, he could've taken control of the DOJ/FBI then as he is doing now and have released them (this is why we think the whole deep state argument is so much nonsense).

Trump made a promise to release the files...and to no one's surprise, he hasn't since it's been revealed that his name is also in there.

Look you want to complain about Biden not releasing the files: that's fair under the context of his time as president. But if we are going to do that....then you have address Trump, who also didn't release the files when he was president before and after Biden under the context of who did what (or didn't do) when as president. So under that context...which you are using to base your argument on...you have to look at Trump first, then look at Biden...and then go back to Trump for the current status.

As per, YOUR logic.

Nothing has come of it after all these years. Before president Biden, this was all pretty new still. People don't care any more. The longer it persists by the left, the more the democrats are seen as the party of hate. And rightfully so.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Weren't they sealed by a court order that has since expired?

I don't know. My understanding is last year, Florida republicans change the law and what Florida had was unsealed.

And for the millionth tome Trump suggested he would, his AG suggested she would, his fans wanted it, so this is his Frankenstein's monster.

There was little momentum to release the files till Trump started running his mouth about it. Dems weren't clamoring for it the way Qanon did so they didn't have a constituency to satisfy. Trump does, but he's acting cagey and now everyone's curious.

He has only been in office for seven months after material can be released. It has been stated that witness and victim names need to be redacted. This type of a process can take time.

 

[SavannahMann]

It is already a dead smear campaign

Yeah. That's one opinion.

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31% of the poll respondents say that Trump is truthful. Less than one in three. His approval rating continues to bobble along below the surface. And since the Republicans have nothing but Trump to run on as we enter Midterm Range, that's not going to be good.

So while you dismiss it as a Smear Campaign, you and the Republicans are stuck defending a person that most people believe is a Child Rapist, or at the very minimum knew and covered up child sex trafficking. With Trump's reputation for lies, even if he came out now and took a polygraph administered by the most rabidly partisan Democrat and passed it, nobody would believe him. Trump as is usual, screwed up this as he has everything he's touched.

 

[uptower]

I don't know. My understanding is last year, Florida republicans change the law and what Florida had was unsealed.

He has only been in office for seven months after material can be released. It has been stated that witness and victim names need to be redacted. This type of a process can take time.

And yet you're telling us we should ask first why Biden didn't release the files?

The Biden administration showed no interest and didn't make it an issue. Biden's base wasn't clamoring for it. The files were sealed by court order and the Biden administration - you may forget or perceive this as weakness - actually obeyed court orders.

No, we must look to Trump first. Trump is the one who pitched their release to his base, reluctant or not. He got their hopes up. Sorry man, it's his baby.

Anything else is just shouting "squirrel!"

 

[Lord of Planar]

And yet you're telling us we should ask first why Biden didn't release the files?

I was speaking of only the Florida files. The FBI had separate files. But by other accounts, it appears the FBI was in the democrats pockets.

The Biden administration showed no interest and didn't make it an issue. Biden's base wasn't clamoring for it. The files were sealed by court order and the Biden administration - you may forget or perceive this as weakness - actually obeyed court orders.

Sealed when? At who's request?

No, we must look to Trump first. Trump is the one who pitched their release to his base, reluctant or not. He got their hopes up. Sorry man, it's his baby.

Perhaps he has nothing to worry about. Perhaps he believes it will squash lies.

Anything else is just shouting "squirrel!"

If that's all you see, I think you need to broaden your mind by opening it.

 

[TangoNoCash]

I doubt it. There was a poll of over 50% of maga wouldn’t care if Trump was proven to have diddled kids. It’s insane.