Whyu would we do it so soon?

[partier9]

Why would the government do it so soon?

Now in my school we had a week off from normal classes. We took random classes about certain things for the week, like German language, history of rock and roll, Gettysburg, ect. Anyways I got Iraq and Afghanistan, the class was about what we should of done when it came to the two wars. We watched " Bush's War by PBS, which I must say was quite good. Anyways we learned a lot about the wars and the people involved in it.

Now here is the part about 9/11:

While in the class we learned a lot about Rumsfeld and what he wanted to do with the military. He wanted to make US military a lighter and quicker force then it was. When Powell was in charge the military was a heavy military that was based on the Powell doctrine, which basically said that you fight with overwhelming numbers of men. While Rumsfeld wanted small groups of elite soldiers, so he had to change the entire organization of the military, this would of taken a long time. And when 9/11 happened the military wasn't what
Rumsfeld wanted yet. So why would we attack ourselves to invade another country when the Secretary of Defense hadn't gotten the military to where he wanted it to be?


Next thing:
After 9/11 the military didn't have invasion plans for Afghanistan, the CIA did. The CIA had plans after Russia's invasion and because the Bin Laden unit had plans in case he did something to America. This made Rumsfeld upset, he was angry because he wanted to head the invasion of Afghanistan not the CIA. Now if the government was responsible for 9/11 the military would of have to been involved and Rumsfeld would of known about it. So if we did frame Bin Laden why wouldn't the military have plans to invade Afghanistan if we planned to invade them months before.


answer: the government didn't blow the twin towers. Bin Laden crashed a plane into them.

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.

Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.
NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:

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the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;

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the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.

Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the New York Police Department, the Port Authority Police Department or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward movement upon collapse initiation.

In summary, NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to Sept. 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view.

NIST's Investigation of the Sept. 11 World Trade Center Disaster - Frequently Asked Questions

 

[RightinNYC]

The fact that this wasn't expressly hammered home by your teacher is depressing. Nevertheless, it's good that you were able to think critically about the issue and come to your own conclusions.

 

[creativedreams]

Did all those NIST specialists write there own seperate little reports?
Did the little groups hand them in to one top official?
Did the top official take all the reports and have the final say in how to re-write physics and turn in his report?

 

[Jessica]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

answer: the government didn't blow the twin towers. Bin Laden crashed a plane into them.



NIST's Investigation of the Sept. 11 World Trade Center Disaster - Frequently Asked Questions

Oh did he really now? So he died on September 11th? How did he make that statement then on the 17th saying he did not have anything to do with the attacks? If he did it, then why did Cheney say there is no evidence of such a thing? Why is he not wanted by the FBI for it? Why is it then that the CIA stopped looking for him? Why did Bush say he had no interest in him?
Because he died flying a plane into the buildings?

 

[Jessica]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

While in the class we learned a lot about Rumsfeld and what he wanted to do with the military. He wanted to make US military a lighter and quicker force then it was. When Powell was in charge the military was a heavy military that was based on the Powell doctrine, which basically said that you fight with overwhelming numbers of men. While Rumsfeld wanted small groups of elite soldiers, so he had to change the entire organization of the military, this would of taken a long time. And when 9/11 happened the military wasn't what
Rumsfeld wanted yet. So why would we attack ourselves to invade another country when the Secretary of Defense hadn't gotten the military to where he wanted it to be?

Which is why we were losing in Iraq and had to send in a surge to bring up the numbers, which should have been done in the first place, if anyone bothered to have listened to the military leader in the first place instead of cRumsfeld.

 

[RightinNYC]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

Oh did he really now? So he died on September 11th? How did he make that statement then on the 17th saying he did not have anything to do with the attacks? If he did it, then why did Cheney say there is no evidence of such a thing? Why is he not wanted by the FBI for it? Why is it then that the CIA stopped looking for him? Why did Bush say he had no interest in him?
Because he died flying a plane into the buildings?

You're right, because he obviously meant that Bin Laden PERSONALLY flew the planes, not that he was merely responsible for them.

 

[Jessica]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.

Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

Here is a video showing most - if not all - of the jet fuel exploding on impact:
YouTube - 2nd Plane WTC

NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.

Gee, that's funny, since their first report supported the pancake theory, and then Popular Mechanic's released an article to support the pancake theory. In fact, they ran with it until the rest of the world proved it wrong.

NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:

*

the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;

If it initiated in the impact and fire floors waaaay up there in the top of the building, then they would have collapsed on top of each other, and so on and on and you would have a pancake theory that they already said did not take place.

the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.

The time it took proves nothing. The time it took them to push the button to blow it up, you mean.

Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the New York Police Department, the Port Authority Police Department or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward movement upon collapse initiation.

More pancake theory again? No evidence except the small explosions where you can see the windows being blown out, and the eyewitnesses who heard explosions, you mean.

In summary, NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to Sept. 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view.

You should watch videos of buildings collapsing, and then videos of buildings being brought down by controlled demolition. Then compare them to the WTC buildings. I could not find a single video that looked anything like the WTC collapses except the ones brought down by controlled demolition. None of the buildings that just fell down, or collapsed due to any other means showed any dustclouds at the base. The only videos of buildings collapsing with dust clouds at the base were all controlled demolitions.

They mention the towers, but when asked about how building 7 fell, they said they "could not get a handle on building seven". They're so smart, that they can figure out the towers, but not building 7? Why? Because no plane crashed into it? Larry Silverstein said he told them to "pull it".
The firemen on the street told people to move back because they were going to blow up the building.
BBC news broadcasted 23 minutes before it was blown up that the building had collapsed. How did they know the building had collapsed before it had collapsed?
Larry Silverstein and Rudy Giuiani both said they did not know it was going to collapse until it was suddenly gone. Giuliani changed his story since, saying that they knew it was going to collapse the way that buildings do. Even though in the history of steel constructed buildings, this has never happened. In all the millions of steel structures in the entire world, this did not happen ONCE - until 9/11 when this miracle happened three times.

 

[Jessica]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

You're right, because he obviously meant that Bin Laden PERSONALLY flew the planes, not that he was merely responsible for them.

That would be the only explanation for the FBI, CIA, Cheney AND Bush not having any reason to pursue him. Well besides the fact they say he had nothing to do with it

 

[partier9]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

That would be the only explanation for the FBI, CIA, Cheney AND Bush not having any reason to pursue him. Well besides the fact they say he had nothing to do with it

That's why we tracked him to Tora Bora and blew the place to hell, because we were not looking for him. We just decided to attack the the place where he was hiding.:doh

 

[Jessica]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

That's why we tracked him to Tora Bora and blew the place to hell, because we were not looking for him. We just decided to attack the the place where he was hiding.:doh

... and missed.

Right.

All that money, and intelligence, and giving him a 2 month head start...

You know, it could be we were tracking him. But not for 9/11!
Have you ever been to the FBI.gov website? Look at bin Laden - He isn't even wanted for 9/11. Watch the videos on Cheney saying bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. Go queue the CIA about it - they will tell you they are not after him. Bush? There are videos of him saying they aren't interested in bin Laden. So what was your point?

That we tracked him to a cave and he escaped magically?

 

[partier9]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

... and missed.

Right.

All that money, and intelligence, and giving him a 2 month head start...

You know, it could be we were tracking him. But not for 9/11!
Have you ever been to the FBI.gov website? Look at bin Laden - He isn't even wanted for 9/11. Watch the videos on Cheney saying bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. Go queue the CIA about it - they will tell you they are not after him. Bush? There are videos of him saying they aren't interested in bin Laden. So what was your point?

That we tracked him to a cave and he escaped magically?

Or he took one of the many cave systems in Afghanistan and went into Pakistan.

There is a 50 million dollar bounty on his head.

We started our war in Afghanistan less than a month after 9/11. It takes time to get the equipment, men, and plan to come together.

When he said Bin Laden he clearly meant Saddam, does it mean it is true no.
Obama said that there were 57 states, does that mean that there are 57 states? no Also Bin Laden admitted to his responsibility to 9/11.

The tape also contains bin Laden's first public acknowledgment of al-Qaida's involvement in the attacks on the U.S., noting that he first thought about attacking the World Trade Center in 1982, after watching Israeli aircraft bomb Lebanon during the 1982 Invasion of Lebanon:

"While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women."

He also admits for the first time a direct link to the attacks, saying that they were carried out because "we are a free people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom of our nation". Bin Laden threatens further retaliation against the U.S., noting that the conditions which provoked the 2001 attacks still exists and compares America to "corrupt" Arab governments.

He spoke of his desire to bankrupt the U.S., saying:

"[It is] easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there and cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses ... This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat."

2004 Osama bin Laden video - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jessica]

Re: Why would the government do it so soon?

Or he took one of the many cave systems in Afghanistan and went into Pakistan.

There is a 50 million dollar bounty on his head.

We started our war in Afghanistan less than a month after 9/11. It takes time to get the equipment, men, and plan to come together.

When he said Bin Laden he clearly meant Saddam, does it mean it is true no.
Obama said that there were 57 states, does that mean that there are 57 states? no Also Bin Laden admitted to his responsibility to 9/11.



2004 Osama bin Laden video - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For what? Not for 9/11. Check the FBI.GOV website for yourself.
bin Laden denied responsibility. The video was already proven fake.
He did release a statement to the press denying claim.

Again, you're forgetting also that the FBI, Cheney, Bush and the CIA all say he (Osama bin Laden) had nothing to do with 9/11. You should quit saying he did, or maybe tell the government what evidence you have of OBL's guilt they do not have.

Here is another side by side comparison of the guy in the video who claims responsibility and says he is OBL and then a known picture of OBL. You can see it is not him.
YouTube - The Usama Deception

You have to think of it like this :
I think it's called the chicken trail. I can't quite recall. Anyway, think of the OJ Simpson case. Everyone knew he was guilty, but he claimed innocence. Now what he says is he will catch the real killer. That's the chicken trail. Everyone follows it, and goes after this wild goose chase... well we didn't as we knew he was guilty.

Anyway, what is suppose to happen, is that people are concentrated on this wild goose chase -- on this chicken trail! The real culprit spends time focusing on directing people to that trail instead of actually capturing the culprit.

Same thing here. Bush says it's OBL, so everyone looks for OBL. But even Bush said he doesn't really think of him. Why? He has no interest in him? Why not? OBL HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11! Of course, they admit it now, because they're out of office. They think (and for the time being, they are right) that they got away with it.

As you failed to go to the FBI site on your own before, here is a direct link to OBL to save you the trouble. Please post whatever information you can that says OBL is wanted for 9/11. I cannot find it! I've spent hours looking...
Most Wanted Terrorist - Usama Bin Laden

Oh, and the bounty is 25 million. An additional 2 million is offered by the pilots association.