Why you don't know anyone who died from COVID

[Outlook]

They all had their own death counts they are responsible for.

Except, the federal investigations there have ceased. The only one left still under federal investigation is Murphy.

What makes Murphy so special? Why only him?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

When did I do that?

I have not changed my stance; presidents should effectively address pandemics.

You, however, decide whether presidents can or cannot address national health crises based on their political party.

My apologies, I confused your stance with the stance of others.

Obviously you have done the same thing since I, too, believe that "Presidents should effectively address pandemics" (well, actually, "Presidents should address pandemics effectively." [but everyone knows that I am totally non-picky about stuff like that]).

After all, Mr. Trump "effectively addressed the COVID-19 pandemic" by doing nothing and discouraging others from doing what was needed, but that does not mean that he "addressed the COVID-19 pandemic effectively".

 

[Metric Mouse]

My apologies, I confused your stance with the stance of others.

Obviously you have done the same thing since I, too, believe that "Presidents should effectively address pandemics" (well, actually, "Presidents should address pandemics effectively." [but everyone knows that I am totally non-picky about stuff like that]).

After all, Mr. Trump "effectively addressed the COVID-19 pandemic" by doing nothing and discouraging others from doing what was needed, but that does not mean that he "addressed the COVID-19 pandemic effectively".

I think we gotta hug.

 

[BirdinHand]

What makes Murphy so special? Why only him?

Ask the feds that are doing the investigations. I don't have that answer.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

And this is why we have 760,000 dead Americans.

Except, of course, that humans ARE in the process of solving COVID-19.

Biden voters don't really care about covid,

Hog wash.

and both Biden and Trump supporters don't think a president should do anything.

Equally hogwash.

Biden supporters WANT the President to take decisive action against COVID-19 and Trump supporters oppose the imposition of a fascist commie dictatorship where Americans have their constitutional rights stripped away from them and are forced to obey the dictates of the government.

When the COVID-19 situation was deteriorating (primarily in the "Blue states") the position of Mr. Trump and his supporters was that that deterioration was all the fault of the lack of leadership of the states' governors and that the President had no constitutional role or power in the situation.

Immediately upon the inauguration of Mr. Biden, the position of Mr. Trump and his supporters changed (the situation was improving) and that position was that the improvement had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any actions of either Mr. Biden of the states' governors but rather was due solely to the actions that Mr. Trump had taken prior to leaving office (well, after having been cheated out of his legitimate victory).

When the COVID-19 situation began to deteriorate again, as the experts had predicted it would (but this time primarily in the "Red states") the position of Mr. Trump and his supporters was (and remains to this day) that the deterioration was due SOLELY to the actions of Mr. Biden (and had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the established pattern of epidemic diseases).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I think we gotta hug.

Ran some interesting numbers earlier today - mainly because the strident "We should do what Sweden did." chants have finally annoyed me enough.

In one way, those chanters of mindless drivel are correct, because if the US had done as well as Sweden did, then the number of US deaths would have been around 493,154 (which is 287,619 less than it currently is).

On the other hand, those "Swedes Good" people are not advocating "We should do what Canada did." (which would have reduced the number of US deaths to around 255,587 (which is 237,867 fewer than if the US had "done what Sweden did") so that means that they are OK with an additional 237,867 deaths.

However, those "Swedes Good" people are not advocating "We should do what Japan did." (which would have reduced the number of US deaths to around 48,381 (which is 444,773 fewer than if the US had "done what Sweden did") so that means that they are OK with an additional 444,773 deaths.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Ran some interesting numbers earlier today - mainly because the strident "We should do what Sweden did." chants have finally annoyed me enough.

In one way, those chanters of mindless drivel are correct, because if the US had done as well as Sweden did, then the number of US deaths would have been around 493,154 (which is 287,619 less than it currently is).

On the other hand, those "Swedes Good" people are not advocating "We should do what Canada did." (which would have reduced the number of US deaths to around 255,587 (which is 237,867 fewer than if the US had "done what Sweden did") so that means that they are OK with an additional 237,867 deaths.

However, those "Swedes Good" people are not advocating "We should do what Japan did." (which would have reduced the number of US deaths to around 48,381 (which is 444,773 fewer than if the US had "done what Sweden did") so that means that they are OK with an additional 444,773 deaths.

Are any Canadians saying that Canada should have done what Japan did?

 

[smallvoice]

So that is absolutely positive **P*R*O*O*F** that absolutely no one in the whole world has died from COVID-19 - right?

Apparently, ONLY in the mind of Canadian busybodies.

 

[CaughtInThe]

i challenge anyone here to find a person who has been more inaccurate about COVID/vaccines than the OP.

 

[Mustachio]

Ran some interesting numbers earlier today - mainly because the strident "We should do what Sweden did." chants have finally annoyed me enough.

In one way, those chanters of mindless drivel are correct, because if the US had done as well as Sweden did, then the number of US deaths would have been around 493,154 (which is 287,619 less than it currently is).

On the other hand, those "Swedes Good" people are not advocating "We should do what Canada did." (which would have reduced the number of US deaths to around 255,587 (which is 237,867 fewer than if the US had "done what Sweden did") so that means that they are OK with an additional 237,867 deaths.

However, those "Swedes Good" people are not advocating "We should do what Japan did." (which would have reduced the number of US deaths to around 48,381 (which is 444,773 fewer than if the US had "done what Sweden did") so that means that they are OK with an additional 444,773 deaths.

I was just looking at the Japan numbers, their death totals per week have never been higher than in Texas. That's really impressive that their total number of cases have been lower than basically any city in the US. I'm sure they had an effective approach.

Then I was looking at India's numbers. India is interesting, because there are millions of people who believe that the vaccine will make you impotent or Hindu. I guess crazy people aren't confined to our borders. And then India's numbers, they had a massive surge in April and May where they were having 7 day averages of 400K new cases. It went from 200k to 400k back to 200k and now that they've given out their billionth vaccine, the numbers are pretty low. Interesting vaccine, too. It is different (it would have to be if it turns you Hindu instead of liberal). The only thing is... India has 1.4 billion people. That's 4 times the population of the United States. But instead of their covid numbers peaking at 4 times the US numbers, their peak was the same as the US peak. The US has had about 9 months where the average number of new cases were more than 1/4th of India's totals. Total number of deaths were about equal at their peaks, but again - we continue to have more deaths as a percentage of population than India at is peak. Than their 2 month peak. We still have that. Every month, for over a year.

I don't think we should even be talking about what other countries did. Just what we did. Because nobody is worse than us. America completely failed, and it's infuriating that there are people all over who STILL would rather contribute to the death total than slow it down. Stupid is as stupid does, yes? So people who don't get the vaccine are, by that logic, stupid. They're idiots. India's outbreak was caused by the disease spreading in the slums with population density far, far higher than anywhere in this country. Our outbreaks are happening everywhere while we focus on who is currently getting owned. It's just amazing how stupid Americans are. Not all. Just, like, half. Willfully ignorant morons consumed with blind, irrational hatred and an inclination for white nationalist fascist policy. Morning in American all over again! But hey - at least they aren't Hindu. Yes, it's sad. But they're very, very, very stupid.

 

[diz]

Ahhh HAH! I was wondering when that distorted version of reality would rear its head.

Yes, more people have died from COVID-19 after 20 JAN 21 than died before that date.

And the pattern of those deaths is

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and

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the only difference between those two patterns is that in one of them the number of deaths is going UP and in the other the number of deaths is going DOWN.

Unfortunately, it appears that you suffer from the same disability that the members of "Claque Failed Casino Operator" suffer from that that is the inability to differentiate between "UP" and "DOWN".

Equally unfortunately, you don't appear to be aware that infectious disease outbreaks occur in "waves" that that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever that the President of the United States of America can do to prevent a "wave" occurring (not even if that President is Donald John Trump {BBHN}).

Glad you can acknowledge Biden is killing all these people.

It’s a terrible thing, these Biden deaths.

 

[The Old Soul]

Can anyone say Fluoridated Water? Scientists are working on using mRNA bound to plants (vegetables) so vaccines grow naturally in produce, and are administered via salad fork. Just wait; kick and scream all you want, but technology will make it so its either take the vaccine, or starve. Women have used a similar technique to achieve compliance for millennia...

Food Grown To Produce Medicine Naturally Using mRNA Genetics.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Are any Canadians saying that Canada should have done what Japan did?

Not very many, and about the same number are saying that Canada should have done what Sweden did. Mind you there are large numbers of Canadians who are saying that about the worst thing that the Canadian governments could do would be to do what the US governments did.

Having around

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2.33% of the "Covid Burden" that the US has seems to be pretty good to the people who live in Canada and they really can't see that there would be any substantial improvement by going the rest of the way to dealing with it the way that the Japanese are dealing with it.

We're still "masking" and "social distancing" and using "vaccine passports" and urging people to get vaccinated where I live even though we do have an "acceptable" level of vaccinations already.

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What's happening where you live?

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[TU Curmudgeon]

I was just looking at the Japan numbers, their death totals per week have never been higher than in Texas. That's really impressive that their total number of cases have been lower than basically any city in the US. I'm sure they had an effective approach.

Then I was looking at India's numbers. India is interesting, because there are millions of people who believe that the vaccine will make you impotent or Hindu. I guess crazy people aren't confined to our borders. And then India's numbers, they had a massive surge in April and May where they were having 7 day averages of 400K new cases. It went from 200k to 400k back to 200k and now that they've given out their billionth vaccine, the numbers are pretty low. Interesting vaccine, too. It is different (it would have to be if it turns you Hindu instead of liberal). The only thing is... India has 1.4 billion people. That's 4 times the population of the United States. But instead of their covid numbers peaking at 4 times the US numbers, their peak was the same as the US peak. The US has had about 9 months where the average number of new cases were more than 1/4th of India's totals. Total number of deaths were about equal at their peaks, but again - we continue to have more deaths as a percentage of population than India at is peak. Than their 2 month peak. We still have that. Every month, for over a year.

I don't think we should even be talking about what other countries did. Just what we did. Because nobody is worse than us. America completely failed, and it's infuriating that there are people all over who STILL would rather contribute to the death total than slow it down. Stupid is as stupid does, yes? So people who don't get the vaccine are, by that logic, stupid. They're idiots. India's outbreak was caused by the disease spreading in the slums with population density far, far higher than anywhere in this country. Our outbreaks are happening everywhere while we focus on who is currently getting owned. It's just amazing how stupid Americans are. Not all. Just, like, half. Willfully ignorant morons consumed with blind, irrational hatred and an inclination for white nationalist fascist policy. Morning in American all over again! But hey - at least they aren't Hindu. Yes, it's sad. But they're very, very, very stupid.

It simply isn't true that nobody has done worse than the US.

Why there are

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18 countries that have higher deaths per million than the US has and there are

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16 countries that have higher deaths per million than the US has.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

At the inflated death claims by the CDC of 125,000, over 80% of those are over 65. Unless you have a grandma or granpa around or know someone in a nursing home, the chances are slim you would know anyone who died from it. But, for all those who attended the socialist public skool system here is the math for all 125,000 deaths:

3 people in ten thousand have die from it. Of those three, at least 2 are over 65
37 people in a hundred thousand have died from it. Of those, 30 of them were over 65 and just 7 under 65
378 people in a million have died from it. Of those 302 were over 65 and 76 were under 65
3,780 people in ten million died. Of those 3,024 were over 95 and just 756 were under 65
125,000 people out of 330 million have died. Of those 100,000 were over 65 and just 25,000 were under 65


Now you know that you can sleep well tonight. No more fretting and nail biting. Sleep tight.

Even for you, this ^^ is some ****ed up logic.

No American death is more or less significant based on the deceased person’s age.

 

[Mustachio]

It simply isn't true that nobody has done worse than the US.

Why there are

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18 countries that have higher deaths per million than the US has and there are

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16 countries that have higher deaths per million than the US has.

So you're going to count the Maldives, huh. Yeah.

So out of countries with at least half a million people (so a pretty big city, that seems fair, yeah?) the only countries as bad as us or worse than us at containing covid are: Czechnia and Georgia. And maybe Brazil? So two third world countries and Brazil. And it looks like Brazil is getting better now because they somehow have a higher vaccination rate than us.

Only the UK should be as ashamed as us. I'm not saying it's all about vaccines, though. Let me be clear about that. It's the idiocy of an entire political party making it part of their platform to say that a global pandemic isn't as serious as the media says. So they say masks are stupid and restricting large gatherings is stupid and whatever medicine Trump said is good is good and let's talk about more conspiratorial garbage that an obese man made up on Twitter. And then they die. And that is sad. But sad and stupid coexist very often. We should feel dumb because we're dumb. If I offended any idiots, I'm sorry. They should stop being stupid if they have any extra time this weekend.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Even for you, this ^^ is some ****ed up logic.

No American death is more or less significant based on the deceased person’s age.

There are some messed up people in our country.

 

[OscarLevant]

At the inflated death claims by the CDC of 125,000, over 80% of those are over 65. Unless you have a grandma or granpa around or know someone in a nursing home, the chances are slim you would know anyone who died from it. But, for all those who attended the socialist public skool system here is the math for all 125,000 deaths:

3 people in ten thousand have die from it. Of those three, at least 2 are over 65
37 people in a hundred thousand have died from it. Of those, 30 of them were over 65 and just 7 under 65
378 people in a million have died from it. Of those 302 were over 65 and 76 were under 65
3,780 people in ten million died. Of those 3,024 were over 95 and just 756 were under 65
125,000 people out of 330 million have died. Of those 100,000 were over 65 and just 25,000 were under 65


Now you know that you can sleep well tonight. No more fretting and nail biting. Sleep tight.

A friend of mine died of Covid, before the vaccines were available.

 

[Paradoxical]

A friend of mine died of Covid, before the vaccines were available.

okeyyyyyy?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Glad you can acknowledge Biden is killing all these people.

It’s a terrible thing, these Biden deaths.

Nice to hear from yet another person who doesn't know "UP" from "DOWN".

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

So you're going to count the Maldives, huh. Yeah.

So out of countries with at least half a million people (so a pretty big city, that seems fair, yeah?) the only countries as bad as us or worse than us at containing covid are: Czechnia and Georgia. And maybe Brazil? So two third world countries and Brazil. And it looks like Brazil is getting better now because they somehow have a higher vaccination rate than us.

Czechnia and Georgia are not "Third World" countries. They used to be "Second World" countries but, since the collapse of the Soviet Union they left that group and became "First World" countries.

You did say "no one" and didn't qualify it by specifying a minimum country size.

BTW, do you think that those two tables are COMPLIMENTARY to the way that the US has dealt with COVID-19?

Only the UK should be as ashamed as us.

Did you know that a randomly selected person in the UK has only

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89.08% of the chance of dying from COVID-19 as does a randomly selected person in the United States of America? Did you know that that drops to 63.64% when you factor in "Ability to Pay" (PPP GDP per capita) and drops further to 33.55% when you factor in "Healthcare Spending per capita"?

I'm not saying it's all about vaccines, though. Let me be clear about that. It's the idiocy of an entire political party making it part of their platform to say that a global pandemic isn't as serious as the media says. So they say masks are stupid and restricting large gatherings is stupid and whatever medicine Trump said is good is good and let's talk about more conspiratorial garbage that an obese man made up on Twitter. And then they die. And that is sad. But sad and stupid coexist very often. We should feel dumb because we're dumb.

I think that only the dumb should feel dumb. Who are the dumb? Well

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should give you a hint.

If I offended any idiots, I'm sorry. They should stop being stupid if they have any extra time this weekend.

You can't offend idiots. If what you say about them is false, then they will say that it is false and be smug about it. If what you say about them is true, then they will say that it is false and be smug about it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

There are some messed up people in our country.

Yep, and they advocate adopting "The Swedish Way" as the be all and end all method of coping with COVID-19.

Admittedly that would have reduced the number of deaths from COVID-19 IF what the Swedes actually did is what the American people adopted, BUT their version of "The Swedish Way" is to totally forget about voluntary compliance with well proven, effective, and cheap means of reducing the spread of infectious diseases and to pretend that there is no real danger from the "COVID-19 Hoax".

By choosing "The Swedish Way" over "The Canadian Way" that means that they are saying that 237,569 dead Americans simply don't matter.

By choosing "The Swedish Way" over "The Japanese Way" that means that they are saying that 444,775 dead Americans simply don't matter.

 

[Mustachio]

Czechnia and Georgia are not "Third World" countries. They used to be "Second World" countries but, since the collapse of the Soviet Union they left that group and became "First World" countries.

You did say "no one" and didn't qualify it by specifying a minimum country size.

BTW, do you think that those two tables are COMPLIMENTARY to the way that the US has dealt with COVID-19?


Did you know that a randomly selected person in the UK has only

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89.08% of the chance of dying from COVID-19 as does a randomly selected person in the United States of America? Did you know that that drops to 63.64% when you factor in "Ability to Pay" (PPP GDP per capita) and drops further to 33.55% when you factor in "Healthcare Spending per capita"?


I think that only the dumb should feel dumb. Who are the dumb? Well

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This is so far from what I was talking about that I don't even know why you would respond to me with these tables. I will answer your question, which was "don't you think these tables are complimentary to the way the US has dealt with covid." And the answer would be no. Because I can't tell if you're arguing that the US has dealt with covid effectively, ineffectively, or something else. I don't think they say anything about how we dealt with covid. Healthcare spending has nothing to do with whether or not you contract covid. James spends twice as much as John on healthcare. James posted threads on this forum about how covid was a hoax and refused to wear a mask. He went to a political rally and contracted covid. John warned James, but to no avail. James said "I spend a lot on healthcare." Mustachio replied: "why would that have any relationship with whether or not you contract covid?" James tried to respond but was too frail. The table seems to show that there is no relationship between healthcare spending per capita and chance of death from covid. That would be consistent with what I just said. Also, is that table chance of death for those who HAVE contracted covid, or the entire population? Do you even know? And would it matter?

You can tell me what you get out of the second table. What I get out of it is nothing.

Covid is a global pandemic and doing everything possible to prevent its spread both as a policy, by state and country, by individual and community, should be done. Japan shut everything down and they're the safest. In the United States, an entire political party screamed that their rights were being infringed upon by the policies we put in place to prevent exactly what happened - multiple surges of covid, the mutation into more contagious variants, and an ongoing crisis around the country. Vaccines are proven to be safe and effective, they reduce the risk of hospitalization and death should you contract covid, but they're just one tool we have to fight it.

That's it. Healthcare spending is irrelevant. Even vaccination percentage won't have a direct correlation with deaths per capita. What am I wrong about here and can you say it with words and not with a table of states with moan, loan, and roan percentage variance from American Neutral by state (what the hell does that mean?) Just say what you're saying? Dear lord, I wanted a short response but you went so far off the path. Sweet baby jesus make some sense.

 

[Paradoxical]

Even for you, this ^^ is some ****ed up logic.

No American death is more or less significant based on the deceased person’s age.

This is so far from what I was talking about that I don't even know why you would respond to me with these tables. I will answer your question, which was "don't you think these tables are complimentary to the way the US has dealt with covid." And the answer would be no. Because I can't tell if you're arguing that the US has dealt with covid effectively, ineffectively, or something else. I don't think they say anything about how we dealt with covid. Healthcare spending has nothing to do with whether or not you contract covid. James spends twice as much as John on healthcare. James posted threads on this forum about how covid was a hoax and refused to wear a mask. He went to a political rally and contracted covid. John warned James, but to no avail. James said "I spend a lot on healthcare." Mustachio replied: "why would that have any relationship with whether or not you contract covid?" James tried to respond but was too frail. The table seems to show that there is no relationship between healthcare spending per capita and chance of death from covid. That would be consistent with what I just said. Also, is that table chance of death for those who HAVE contracted covid, or the entire population? Do you even know? And would it matter?

You can tell me what you get out of the second table. What I get out of it is nothing.

Covid is a global pandemic and doing everything possible to prevent its spread both as a policy, by state and country, by individual and community, should be done. Japan shut everything down and they're the safest. In the United States, an entire political party screamed that their rights were being infringed upon by the policies we put in place to prevent exactly what happened - multiple surges of covid, the mutation into more contagious variants, and an ongoing crisis around the country. Vaccines are proven to be safe and effective, they reduce the risk of hospitalization and death should you contract covid, but they're just one tool we have to fight it.

That's it. Healthcare spending is irrelevant. Even vaccination percentage won't have a direct correlation with deaths per capita. What am I wrong about here and can you say it with words and not with a table of states with moan, loan, and roan percentage variance from American Neutral by state (what the hell does that mean?) Just say what you're saying? Dear lord, I wanted a short response but you went so far off the path. Sweet baby jesus make some sense.

I am a mere messenger., A cog in the great wheel of truth.

 

[Mustachio]

I am a mere messenger., A cog in the great wheel of truth.

No, you're somebody who thinks anyone who is over 65 is in a nursing home or a grandparent then in the same sentence mocks public education. You made a post that becomes more laughably inaccurate every day. You're the forum's equivalent of a football player who recovers a fumble and accidentally runs the wrong way. I guess we know why the wheel of truth stopped working.