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We were 12th overall in national gun deaths, but the ironic thing is that the other 11 have oppressive gun control legislation. We were behind just to name a few, Mexico, Brazil, and South Africa, all of which have some of the most draconian gun law on the globe. That was total criminal, defensive, and accidental and most of which in the U.S. indeed were suicides.
As well if we took out criminal on criminal violence and put into it's own catagory those numbers would change dramatically. Plus it's interesting that anti-gunners only want to include "gun deaths" when comparing against international statistics, especially when overall murder rates are not favorable to many heavy ban countries.
people buy dope all the time too so complete bans don't work
The best we can do is to get rid of victim disarmament zones
The fact that every other wealthy populous nation has less intentional homicides by firearms completely refutes your theory.
So you are sticking to the "intentional homicide" line? Give us some actual numbers, broken down catagorically by criminal and defense act.The fact that every other wealthy populous nation has far less intentional homicides by firearms completely refutes your theory.
So you are sticking to the "intentional homicide" line? Give us some actual numbers, broken down catagorically by criminal and defense act.
that is even more idiotic than most of the stuff you spew
as other nations ban more guns their violence goes up
tell us what your solution is
and you cannot undo 200+ years of widespread gun ownership
why do american whites have lower rates of violence with guns than white europeans?
If they try to purchase from a dealer then arrest them, it is illegal simply to attempt to purchase a weapon with a felony background. If they were involuntarily committed to a mental institution don't sell to them, no dealer actually would anyway. If they buy them off the street you can't do anything until they are caught, no law or furtherance of law will stop that. But you CAN add years to a sentence if a felon is caught in possession.What do you think could be done to enforce the prevention of criminals and the insane from legally being able to buy guns?
It's a cherry picked fact, when you weight crimes committed regardless of the weapon the U.S. goes down the list dramatically, but if you want to keep up this line be my guest. You are not correct. If you are killed by a wood chipper you're still dead, so it is incredibly deceptive to have a "violent gun crime" and "other violent crime" seperation.The fact remains, no matter how you try to spin it, that the US kills more humans intentionally with firearms than any other wealthy populous nation.
Have you ever tried to purchase a gun? I have purchased firearms and can tell you that the checks are incredibly thourough already.What threat to responsible gun owners are more stringent background checks to help prevent criminals and the insane from purchasing guns?
So you are sticking to the "intentional homicide" line? Give us some actual numbers, broken down catagorically by criminal and defense act.
Name me all the wealthy populated nations have have as many intentional homicides by firearms as the US?
I have provided actual numbers that show that more humans are killed intentionally with firearms in the US than in other wealthy populous nations. Your sub-categories do not alter that fact, is much as you may wish that it would.
If they try to purchase from a dealer then arrest them, it is illegal simply to attempt to purchase a weapon with a felony background. If they were involuntarily committed to a mental institution don't sell to them, no dealer actually would anyway. If they buy them off the street you can't do anything until they are caught, no law or furtherance of law will stop that. But you CAN add years to a sentence if a felon is caught in possession.
It's a cherry picked fact, when you weight crimes committed regardless of the weapon the U.S. goes down the list dramatically, but if you want to keep up this line be my guest. You are not correct. If you are killed by a wood chipper you're still dead, so it is incredibly deceptive to have a "violent gun crime" and "other violent crime" seperation.
Have you ever tried to purchase a gun? I have purchased firearms and can tell you that the checks are incredibly thourough already.
Actually, all you presented was a generalized statistic. It's like saying all alcohol related traffic accidents and including those where the sober driver ran a stop sign, you provided no CRIMINAL data, just a blind statistic. Again, if I must shoot someone to protect myself or another from physical harm and kill that is an intentional homicide but not murder, manslaughter, or suicide(obviously). So, if you take out suicide and defensive shooting what are the CRIMINAL numbers? Remember, YOU are making the claim that restricting the right to ALL is going to solve the CRIMINAL problem.I have provided actual numbers that show that more humans are killed intentionally with firearms in the US than in other wealthy populous nations. Your sub-categories do not alter that fact, is much as you may wish that it would.
Actually, all you presented was a generalized statistic. It's like saying all alcohol related traffic accidents and including those where the sober driver ran a stop sign, you provided no CRIMINAL data, just a blind statistic. Again, if I must shoot someone to protect myself or another from physical harm and kill that is an intentional homicide but not murder, manslaughter, or suicide(obviously). So, if you take out suicide and defensive shooting what are the CRIMINAL numbers? Remember, YOU are making the claim that restricting the right to ALL is going to solve the CRIMINAL problem.
tell us why that matters.
GASP, laws don't change criminal behavior. Call me shocked but isn't the definition of a criminal by nature someone who DOESN'T FOLLOW LAWS.Doesn't appear to be working..........
"Two months before neuroscience student James Eagan Holmes allegedly shot 71 moviegoers, killing at least 12, at a midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colo., he stopped by Gander Mountain, an outdoor shop that sells guns and ammunition, and bought a Glock 40 pistol. Over that eight-week period, according to a local law-enforcement source who spoke on the condition of anonymity, he purchased four more weapons, including a shotgun and an assault rifle from different gun shops around Aurora and Denver—and 6,000 rounds of ammunition from the Internet."
Which "wealthy country" has the highest violent crime rate overall? Hint, it's the U.K.LOL! Which wealthy populous country has more humans killed by wood chippers than the US does with guns?
First off, you didn't buy from a dealer. Secondly if you actually did buy the gun as you claim from "the guy from work" it's a private sale, no law against that unless he would suspect that you wanted to use it in commission of a crime. "The guy from work" I assume knows you well enough to realize you aren't going to go and kill someone. Either way you are grasping here.I purchased a gun from a guy I worked with, no questions asked by anyone! Look how easy it was for the Aurora killer and the Virginia Tech killer and others for them to purchase their guns. Many states I believe, allow people to purchase guns at a gun show without a waiting period.
Doesn't appear to be working..........
"Two months before neuroscience student James Eagan Holmes allegedly shot 71 moviegoers, killing at least 12, at a midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colo., he stopped by Gander Mountain, an outdoor shop that sells guns and ammunition, and bought a Glock 40 pistol. Over that eight-week period, according to a local law-enforcement source who spoke on the condition of anonymity, he purchased four more weapons, including a shotgun and an assault rifle from different gun shops around Aurora and Denver—and 6,000 rounds of ammunition from the Internet."
How Alleged Colorado Shooter James Holmes Bought His Guns - The Daily Beast
LOL! Which wealthy populous country has more humans killed by wood chippers than the US does with guns?
I purchased a gun from a guy I worked with, no questions asked by anyone! Look how easy it was for the Aurora killer and the Virginia Tech killer and others for them to purchase their guns. Many states I believe, allow people to purchase guns at a gun show without a waiting period.
I think it's a lack of any real knowledge on the banner bandwagon's part. They want to ban things that "look scary", "look tactical", or my favorite is the knee jerk reaction to a specific design used in a singular event.why is it that the gun banners or peaceniks or utopian pillow headed idealists who whine about guns NEVER WANT TO TELL US WHAT LAWS THEY WANT?
I am always upfront on what laws I want. it starts with everyone 18 or older who is competent to own a weapon being able to buy, without a license or anything more than an instant background check. every weapon that any civilian law enforcement agency owns or any weapon with the same specifications (i.e. if the cops carry 17 shot 9mm glocks, 17 shot smith and wesson pistols would also be available
I think it's a lack of any real knowledge on the banner bandwagon's part. They want to ban things that "look scary", "look tactical", or my favorite is the knee jerk reaction to a specific design used in a singular event.
If I had to guess it would be:I am still waiting for Catawba-who has been on this thread through hundreds of posts-to tell us what sort of laws he thinks will solve the problems that bother him so much
If I had to guess it would be:
1) Railguns
2) Anything with a firing pin
3) Anything rimfire
4) Anything that uses a powder charge
5) Anything that discharges a round
6) Popguns
7) potato guns
8) Anything that goes bang
9) Joke guns that have the bang flag.
Maybe just so I can say I got an Uzi or whatever it is called. But probably not.
All fully automatic firearms after 1986 are banned by federal law, only holders of an FFLIII license may own fully automatics made prior to that. There are only two ways to qualify for an FFLIII and that is to register as either a dealer or collector, all assault rifles have a selector switch and fire automatic thus can only be purchased under both conditions that I mentioned.
Not always. It depends on the state.
In the state of Florida, I can by a silencer or full auto weapon after paying my $300.00 federal transfer tax and a background check by the state police. That's it.
It's actually a 1986 federal law though. It's illegal to sell any automatics made after 1986, maybe under Fla. law you can purchase pre-1986 with those conditions, I think Nevada is also full-auto friendly iirc.Not always. It depends on the state.
In the state of Florida, I can by a silencer or full auto weapon after paying my $300.00 federal transfer tax and a background check by the state police. That's it.
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