Why would gay couples want their union to be called "marriage?"

[tosca1]

There's so many debates about the rights of gays to be married, changing the definition of marriage, etc..,

But what I want to know.....why do gay couples want their union to be called marriage? I mean, if it causes so much angst and resentment on both sides, why wouldn't they just coin another word for their union - and lobby to have the same benefits that comes along with being married?

This doesn't really have anything to do with gays and marriage - you can have a formalized union how ever you may want it called, celebrated just like any weddings. This has more to do with the gay movement agenda.

Smash the Church, Smash the State!
The Early Years of Gay Liberation
http://www.citylights.com/book/?GCOI=87286100736280

 

[OscarB63]

There's so many debates about the rights of gays to be married, changing the definition of marriage, etc..,

But what I want to know.....why do gay couples want their union to be called marriage? I mean, if it causes so much angst and resentment on both sides, why wouldn't they just coin another word for their union - and lobby to have the same benefits that comes along with being married?

social acceptance

 

[disneydude]

There's so many debates about the rights of gays to be married, changing the definition of marriage, etc..,

But what I want to know.....why do gay couples want their union to be called marriage? I mean, if it causes so much angst and resentment on both sides, why wouldn't they just coin another word for their union - and lobby to have the same benefits that comes along with being married?

This doesn't really have anything to do with gays and marriage - you can have a formalized union how ever you may want it called, celebrated just like any weddings. This has more to do with the gay movement agenda.

Smash the Church, Smash the State!
The Early Years of Gay Liberation
Smash the Church, Smash the State!, The Early Years of Gay Liberation

Why did blacks want to drink out of the same drinking fountains as whites? They weren't being deprived of water?
Why did blacks want to sit in the front of the bus? They weren't being denied transportation?

 

[tosca1]

social acceptance

I'm sorry Oscar but I did add some more in my OP.

Social acceptance? I think they'd be more accepted by the religious folks if they don't try to muscle in on the traditional definition of marriage, and instead they just coin their new name for their union. Wouldn't it be more reflective of PRIDE if they've got their very own name for their union?

 

[YoungConserv]

social acceptance

How is forced acceptance not a form of religious persecution?

 

[Fenton]

Its activism and Obama and his ilk have taken to " evolution"...lol..and now support their cause.

I never saw Obama as a man with character, nor the Clintons.

Turns out everything he believes in is for sale

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Because marriage is about getting the same benefits and social acceptance and equality.

 

[OscarB63]

I'm sorry Oscar but I did add some more in my OP.

Social acceptance? I think they'd be more accepted by the religious folks if they don't try to muscle in on the traditional definition of marriage, and instead they just coin their new name for their union. Wouldn't it be more reflective of PRIDE if they've got their very own name for their union?

if they have a separate name, then it is not "the same" and does not give the same acceptance that calling it "marriage" does. "separate but equal is never equal" is a big arguement from the SSM side.

I have seen SSM supporters argue that a union equal in everything but name is not good enough.

 

[iguanaman]

How is forced acceptance not a form of religious persecution?

Huh? It is gays being persecuted. No one is asking religions to change.

 

[Fenton]

Because marriage is about getting the same benefits and social acceptance
and equality.

its not the Govt's job to force equity especially when "equality" is arbitrary

 

[OscarB63]

Huh? It is gays being persecuted. No one is asking religions to change.

really? religions are being asked to accept unions that a contrary to their teachings.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

its not the Govt's job to force equity especially when "equality" is arbitrary

So its not the "govs job" then why have they done so in the past especially when it comes to civil rights?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

really? religions are being asked to accept unions that a contrary to their teachings.

No there not.

 

[disneydude]

if they have a separate name, then it is not "the same" and does not give the same acceptance that calling it "marriage" does. "separate but equal is never equal" is a big arguement from the SSM side.

I have seen SSM supporters argue that a union equal in everything but name is not good enough.

Blacks felt the same way during the civil rights movements of the 50's-60's. Seperate but equal is never equal.

 

[OscarB63]

Seperate but equal is never equal.

prove it

 

[babilfish]

But what I want to know.....why do gay couples want their union to be called marriage?

Given that the union they desire would posses all the requisite qualities of marriage, why wouldn't they?

 

[tosca1]

Why did blacks want to drink out of the same drinking fountains as whites? They weren't being deprived of water?
Why did blacks want to sit in the front of the bus? They weren't being denied transportation?

That would be in the assumption that same-sex coupling is normal and moral. And we know that a lot of us don't think it is normal nor moral. The comparison between blacks and gays is not legitimate.

 

[Cardinal]

There's so many debates about the rights of gays to be married, changing the definition of marriage, etc..,

But what I want to know.....why do gay couples want their union to be called marriage? I mean, if it causes so much angst and resentment on both sides, why wouldn't they just coin another word for their union - and lobby to have the same benefits that comes along with being married?

This doesn't really have anything to do with gays and marriage - you can have a formalized union how ever you may want it called, celebrated just like any weddings. This has more to do with the gay movement agenda.

Smash the Church, Smash the State!
The Early Years of Gay Liberation
Smash the Church, Smash the State!, The Early Years of Gay Liberation

Marriage is an important traditional event validating a union in their own eyes and society. It's more than just an informal or convenient arrangement, it's a statement about a bond that speaks volumes to the rest of the world that goes back thousands of years.

Religious or simply homophobic people are well aware of the symbolic importance of the concept of marriage, which is why they're trying to deny it to undesirables, content to let them have "marriage lite" instead.

 

[disneydude]

if they have a separate name, then it is not "the same" and does not give the same acceptance that calling it "marriage" does. "separate but equal is never equal" is a big arguement from the SSM side.

I have seen SSM supporters argue that a union equal in everything but name is not good enough.

Blacks felt the same way during the civil rights movement. Seperate but equal is never equal.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

prove it

Segregation of the school system etc.

 

[disneydude]

That would be in the assumption that same-sex coupling is normal and moral. And we know that a lot of us don't think it is normal nor moral. The comparison between blacks and gays is not legitimate.

There are a lot of people who STILL think that inter-racial coupling is abnorman and immoral. WHO's morals are you basing it on?

 

[Fenton]

So its not the "govs job" then why have they done so in the past
especially when it comes to civil rights?

The 1964 Civil Rights Act didn't gaurantee of even force "equality".

Equality is up to the individual.

 

[disneydude]

That would be in the assumption that same-sex coupling is normal and moral. And we know that a lot of us don't think it is normal nor moral. The comparison between blacks and gays is not legitimate.

You are entitled to YOUR views. However, you are not entitled to legislate your views on others. Your right to your views ends when it directly affects another person.

 

[Dragonfly]

But what I want to know.....why do gay couples want their union to be called marriage?

Why do some straight couples insist on trying to prevent a very select few from using one simple word?

How much money do you think it would cost to change all the legal, medical, and social forms in existence to include a new word?

And what do you propose that new word should be?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

The 1964 Civil Rights Act didn't gaurantee of even force "equality".

Equality is up to the individual.

Uhhh yes it did.
Outlawed discrimination, ended the action of unequal application of voter registration requirements, ended racial segregation at school and the workplace and various other facilities that served the public.