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Why we had to drop the A bombs on Japan

vegas giants said:
Give them the one condition they wanted
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Where in that quote is only one condition listed? They do not list one condition, they list four. Are you having trouble telling the difference between one and four?

You post a undated unlinked letter and claim I have no argument???? Lol
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I have already sourced where the quote is from

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Jredbaron96 said:
Again, you are ignoring that the Big Six already rejected that idea. The military would not consent to a surrender unless they had the four conditions.
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War ended with the exact same conditions offered before dropping the atomic weapons! It was genocide!
 
Highlanders said:
War ended with the exact same conditions offered before dropping the atomic weapons! It was genocide!
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Japan never offered unconditional surrender. They rejected the Potsdam Declaration fully, and their offer to the USSR was based on four conditions that the Allies would never have agreed to.
 
vegas giants said:
Why did they (IJ) not surrender after the first bomb but waited until Russia entered the war?

Prove your claim
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The IJ Emperor was a figurehead, not an actual head of state. The Young Officers organization (an illegal, radically pro-military & pro-conquest & pro-military expansion of the IJ empire) & their mentors in & out of government seized the government - by intimidation, blackmail, assault, murder - & displaced or neutralized all the competent & experienced diplomats, who recognized that IJ could not fight a war against the world & prevail.

Despite IJ having trounced Imperial Russia several times, IJ harbored a hope that the USSR would intervene on their behalf against the other allies in WWII. The Soviets would do whatever was to their own advantage. Once the Soviets learned that the atomic bomb was tested & on the way to IJ, they broke diplomatic relations with IJ, revoked their nonaggression pact with IJ, & prepared to invade IJ. (& the USSR entered the war in Sept. 1939, when they partitioned Poland along with the Nazis.)
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Japan never offered unconditional surrender. They rejected the Potsdam Declaration fully, and their offer to the USSR was based on four conditions that the Allies would never have agreed to.
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I say again, the exact same conditions for ending the war was offered by Russia at the Potsdam conference!
The exact same conditions were accepted after two nuclear bombs were dropped!
You can call it whatever you like, I call it genocide.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Japan never offered unconditional surrender. They rejected the Potsdam Declaration fully, and their offer to the USSR was based on four conditions that the Allies would never have agreed to.
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Why not? What in those terms were unacceptable and inappropriate if it would save lives and end the war?
 
vegas giants said:
Why not? What in those terms were unacceptable and inappropriate if it would save lives and end the war?
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One of the conditions was that there would be no war crime trials by the Allies for Japanese officials.

If Hitler had offered to surrender in December 1944 under the condition that he and the rest of the Nazi Party got off scot free, should we have taken it?
 
Highlanders said:
I say again, the exact same conditions for ending the war was offered by Russia at the Potsdam conference!
The exact same conditions were accepted after two nuclear bombs were dropped!
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And the Japanese rejected them. It wasn't until after the two atomic bombs that the Emperor ordered the Big Six to surrender.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
One of the conditions was that there would be no war crime trials by the Allies for Japanese officials.

If Hitler had offered to surrender in December 1944 under the condition that he and the rest of the Nazi Party got off scot free, should we have taken it?
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They really only wanted that to apply to the imperial family. Offer them that and they would take it
 
Jredbaron96 said:
One of the conditions was that there would be no war crime trials by the Allies for Japanese officials.

If Hitler had offered to surrender in December 1944 under the condition that he and the rest of the Nazi Party got off scot free, should we have taken it?
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The decision to use nuclear weapons, had been made, and everything was in place, on the 2nd of august the end of the Potsdam conference, the first bomb was dropped on the 6th august! The other on the 9th of august! They wanted to threaten Russia, and see the actual power of the weapon!
Churchill a drunk and Syphilitic degenerate also American, wanted the war to carry on, into and against Russia!
The English people had had enough and threatened the very existence of the aristocracy and the crown had war been carried on!
But the bombs dropped were only military and politically motivated for genocidal purposes!
 
Jredbaron96 said:
So now you're being lazy and can't even download a PDF. Do you need help clicking on links now?
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Nope I read it.

Bottom line...there was no need to.pursue a unconditional surrender.....especially when we gave them concessions anyway.

The only reason to do that is because we did not want a surrender....yet
 
vegas giants said:
Nope I read it.
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So now you are lying.

Bottom line...there was no need to.pursue a unconditional surrender.....especially when we gave them concessions anyway.
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No where in this document is a condition listed akin to "We'll let the Emperor go free"

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Jredbaron96 said:
So now you are lying.



No where in this document is a condition listed akin to "We'll let the Emperor go free"

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Yet we did let the emperor go free.


Deny that.


We gave them what they wanted. Was it because the emperor was innocent? Nope. We needed him.


What does it hurt us to offer that to them?
 
vegas giants said:
Prove we offered that to them on july 27.

I'll wait.
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We offered them Potsdam. Togo theorized that surrender might be possible if they agreed to allow the Royal Family to maintain it's rule.

The military rejected that idea entirely. "Admiral Toyoda countered that they should issue a statement at once proclaiming that “the government regarded the declaration as absurd and would not consider it.”

Toland, John. The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945 (Modern Library War) . Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
 
vegas giants said:
Yet we did let the emperor go free.
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Only after they had surrendered.

Why are you so incapable of grasping that when Japan surrendered, it was uncondtionally? That MacArthur decided not to pursue charges is irrelevant to the actual terms of surrender; it was his choice to do so. He had the authority to prosecute the Emperor if he wished. It was written write into the treaty.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
We offered them Potsdam. Togo theorized that surrender might be possible if they agreed to allow the Royal Family to maintain it's rule.

The military rejected that idea entirely. "Admiral Toyoda countered that they should issue a statement at once proclaiming that “the government regarded the declaration as absurd and would not consider it.”

Toland, John. The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945 (Modern Library War) . Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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So not on july 27. And not after Russia entered the war. You know....when they knew the war was over.


Exactly
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Only after they had surrendered.

Why are you so incapable of grasping that when Japan surrendered, it was uncondtionally? That MacArthur decided not to pursue charges is irrelevant to the actual terms of surrender; it was his choice to do so. He had the authority to prosecute the Emperor if he wished. It was written write into the treaty.
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Why are you unable to grasp that we did not need a unconditional surrender? What ego and arrogance that the only way to win was to accept no conditions....even to things we were willing to do anyway.

We could have saved lives with a conditional surrender
 
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